usa bashers

[regulationsusa]

To whom it may concern I have been reading on several forums for the

past few days.
What I have seen is a lot of people crying about the usa and its laws

pertaining to the gaming idustry and the port security act.

Lets be perfectly clear it has been illegal to gamble in the united

states for the past 100 years all gambling is illegal period.
All gambling sites that have been doing buisness in the usa have been

breking the law every since the first bet they have taking or the first

bingo game they have offered to usa players.

The port security act was established because these gaming sites would

not obey the laws of the usa instead these gambling sites continued to

cheat usa players break state and federal laws as well as usa members

civil rights.If we want to talk about our rights being taken away we

really need to look no further than the gaming industry it self.

Check out on the internet all the complaints about people being cheated

sites using house players rigged software winnings refused to be paid

rules and regulations and policies that violate about a thousand civil

rights.

Does people really think the DOj did not get thousands of complaints

about people being cheated by the gaming industry if you believe that

you need to get back to reality.Lets put the blame where it really

belongs on the gaming industry and all its affiliates that turned a

blind eye when these sites cheated people and it came to the publics

attention.



I get tired of hearing people bash the usa but yet say nothing about

the industry and all this leads me to belive the majority of the usa

bashers are themselves industry staff if so shame on you.

I have a hell of a lot more to say on this subject but will end it here

for now.

[SirWilliam58]

Originally Posted by regulationsusa

To whom it may concern I have been reading on several forums for the

past few days.
What I have seen is a lot of people crying about the usa and its laws

pertaining to the gaming idustry and the port security act.

Lets be perfectly clear it has been illegal to gamble in the united

states for the past 100 years all gambling is illegal period.
All gambling sites that have been doing buisness in the usa have been

breking the law every since the first bet they have taking or the first

bingo game they have offered to usa players.

The port security act was established because these gaming sites would

not obey the laws of the usa instead these gambling sites continued to

cheat usa players break state and federal laws as well as usa members

civil rights.If we want to talk about our rights being taken away we

really need to look no further than the gaming industry it self.

Check out on the internet all the complaints about people being cheated

sites using house players rigged software winnings refused to be paid

rules and regulations and policies that violate about a thousand civil

rights.

Does people really think the DOj did not get thousands of complaints

about people being cheated by the gaming industry if you believe that

you need to get back to reality.Lets put the blame where it really

belongs on the gaming industry and all its affiliates that turned a

blind eye when these sites cheated people and it came to the publics

attention.



I get tired of hearing people bash the usa but yet say nothing about

the industry and all this leads me to belive the majority of the usa

bashers are themselves industry staff if so shame on you.

I have a hell of a lot more to say on this subject but will end it here

for now.

Part of what you are saying is true, However not all sites are crooks. This is why the OPU exists, The OPU is a Group that is known for protecting the player. If ANYONE has a problem collecting thier winnings from a site , we are here to help. Also this is why we have sites that we as a union reccomend to play and an official blacklist of sites to stay away from. The OPU also has player insurance for the sites we reccomend. So while this is fact that there are crooks out there, it's not the real reason why the U.S. Government is suddenly attacking the industry. Internet gaming is a BIG money generator from the U.S. alone.
A few U.S. Senators had a thought of this figure supporting terrorists in attacks against the U.S. I personally don't believe this is true, most gaming sites are in for the money as any land based casino. Most online sites are in country's that are friends of the U.S. So if they were to be into terrorism they would have just blown themselves up by cutting the U.S. out of the online gaming market. So if it were true they just killed the funding for terrorism and we all know that terrorism still exsists and is thriving to attack again. Just for an example here is an article I posted on my blog yesterday:

U.S. probe hammers online gaming shares

Shares in online gaming firms have tumbled again - amid reports the US Department of Justice is stepping up its probe into the industry.

It has demanded that investment banks hand over documents and details of phone calls connected with internet gaming firms, reports say.

Partygaming shares fell 7.5% in early Monday trading while Sportingbet and 888.com lost about 3.5%.

Online gambling was effectively banned in the US last year.

Legislation was introduced that outlawed financial transactions related to gaming.

Falling values

Reports on Sunday said that the Department of Justice had ordered 16 banks, including HSBC, Dresdner Kleinwort and Deutsche Bank, as well as accountants and law firms to pass on information.

In July last year, executives from online gaming firms, including Sportingbet and Betonsports were detained by US authorities.

Last week, two founders of internet payment firm Neteller, which has been used by gaming sites, were charged with handling billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds.

Millions were wiped off the value of internet gaming firms last year as they ceased US trading.

Before the US crackdown on internet gaming, Partygaming had generated about 75% of its income from the US market while about half of 888 Holding's business came from the country.

courtesy of the Poker Gazette

So If the Senators beliefs are to be true then the terrorists just cut off thier own right arm. This is what we as a nation need to get the Government to understand, And take the internet gaming portion out of the port security's bill act.

[regulationsusa]

First let me say I think what opu does for players is a good thing and my comments in no way reflects on opu.

However the port security act has nothing to do with the arrest of the netteller founders and stock holders they were arrested under the old law which has been on the books for 50 years.

As for as all sites not being crooks persay you are correct however if we look at it through the legal aspect every site that takes a bet from a united states citizen is a felon why because it is against the law for any site to take a wager from a usa citizen.

And this will remain true untill the usa legalizes online gaming and regulates the sites doing buisness in the united states every forgein company that does buisness here has to abide by govenment regulations.


Every site on the net violates united states citizens civil right by their policys and rules here is an example here in the united states if a company does us wrong we have the courts to turn to for help with online gaming the gaming sites make their own rules and we have no recourse or any consumer protection.

Untill we have regulations the gaming industry as a whole will remain under a dark cloud all one has to do is visit all the forums and see whom all has been cheated there are so many complaints no one can gamble online and feel any kind of security.

[dowo]

It really is none of the governments business what people do with their money they earn. Gambling is not illegal, if it were why are there casinos to gamlbe in. Why do states have lotteries? If online gambling is illegal then how some horse betting ot state run lotteries are not illegal? Its hypocritical and its none of the governments business.

[regulationsusa]

Lets see how i can explain this is it illegal for gambling sites to take wagers from USA citizens umm gambling sites have been shut down for doing so as well as many have been arrested i think that pretty much says if you are a gambling site out side of the usa and except usa bets its illegal.

now that we have cleared that up lets use common sense if it is illegal to take a bet from a player in the usa then would it not be illegal for the player from usa to wager umm common sense would say yesand so does the law.

State run sites are exempt from those laws as well as horse racing but you can bet they are under strong government regulations in fact all land casinos by regulations can only keep certain percent of the intake they must pay a certain percentage out to players and this is what regulations do.

I dont know if opu is for regulations or not i am new here but one would hope they are which would create a much better industry.

[SirWilliam58]

Originally Posted by regulationsusa

I dont know if opu is for regulations or not i am new here but one would hope they are which would create a much better industry.

Thats what got the Internet Gambling Bill started, There is no possible way that the U.S. can regulate Internet Gaming and the Government get a piece of the pie. This is why some U.S. Senators decided to try and push it into the Port Security's Bill on a sudden notice, the sorta snuck it in so that they could shut U.S. gaming down. A child like response of *If I can't have it then you can't either* mentality. Then when they were questioned on the gaming bill they used the excuse of online gaming supporting terrorism to keep it there.
All in All, Stupidity AGAIN by Our Government leaders.