usa bashers

[regulationsusa]

To whom it may concern I have been reading on several forums for the

past few days.
What I have seen is a lot of people crying about the usa and its laws

pertaining to the gaming idustry and the port security act.

Lets be perfectly clear it has been illegal to gamble in the united

states for the past 100 years all gambling is illegal period.
All gambling sites that have been doing buisness in the usa have been

breking the law every since the first bet they have taking or the first

bingo game they have offered to usa players.

The port security act was established because these gaming sites would

not obey the laws of the usa instead these gambling sites continued to

cheat usa players break state and federal laws as well as usa members

civil rights.If we want to talk about our rights being taken away we

really need to look no further than the gaming industry it self.

Check out on the internet all the complaints about people being cheated

sites using house players rigged software winnings refused to be paid

rules and regulations and policies that violate about a thousand civil

rights.

Does people really think the DOj did not get thousands of complaints

about people being cheated by the gaming industry if you believe that

you need to get back to reality.Lets put the blame where it really

belongs on the gaming industry and all its affiliates that turned a

blind eye when these sites cheated people and it came to the publics

attention.



I get tired of hearing people bash the usa but yet say nothing about

the industry and all this leads me to belive the majority of the usa

bashers are themselves industry staff if so shame on you.

I have a hell of a lot more to say on this subject but will end it here

for now.

[SirWilliam58]

Originally Posted by regulationsusa

To whom it may concern I have been reading on several forums for the

past few days.
What I have seen is a lot of people crying about the usa and its laws

pertaining to the gaming idustry and the port security act.

Lets be perfectly clear it has been illegal to gamble in the united

states for the past 100 years all gambling is illegal period.
All gambling sites that have been doing buisness in the usa have been

breking the law every since the first bet they have taking or the first

bingo game they have offered to usa players.

The port security act was established because these gaming sites would

not obey the laws of the usa instead these gambling sites continued to

cheat usa players break state and federal laws as well as usa members

civil rights.If we want to talk about our rights being taken away we

really need to look no further than the gaming industry it self.

Check out on the internet all the complaints about people being cheated

sites using house players rigged software winnings refused to be paid

rules and regulations and policies that violate about a thousand civil

rights.

Does people really think the DOj did not get thousands of complaints

about people being cheated by the gaming industry if you believe that

you need to get back to reality.Lets put the blame where it really

belongs on the gaming industry and all its affiliates that turned a

blind eye when these sites cheated people and it came to the publics

attention.



I get tired of hearing people bash the usa but yet say nothing about

the industry and all this leads me to belive the majority of the usa

bashers are themselves industry staff if so shame on you.

I have a hell of a lot more to say on this subject but will end it here

for now.

Part of what you are saying is true, However not all sites are crooks. This is why the OPU exists, The OPU is a Group that is known for protecting the player. If ANYONE has a problem collecting thier winnings from a site , we are here to help. Also this is why we have sites that we as a union reccomend to play and an official blacklist of sites to stay away from. The OPU also has player insurance for the sites we reccomend. So while this is fact that there are crooks out there, it's not the real reason why the U.S. Government is suddenly attacking the industry. Internet gaming is a BIG money generator from the U.S. alone.
A few U.S. Senators had a thought of this figure supporting terrorists in attacks against the U.S. I personally don't believe this is true, most gaming sites are in for the money as any land based casino. Most online sites are in country's that are friends of the U.S. So if they were to be into terrorism they would have just blown themselves up by cutting the U.S. out of the online gaming market. So if it were true they just killed the funding for terrorism and we all know that terrorism still exsists and is thriving to attack again. Just for an example here is an article I posted on my blog yesterday:

U.S. probe hammers online gaming shares

Shares in online gaming firms have tumbled again - amid reports the US Department of Justice is stepping up its probe into the industry.

It has demanded that investment banks hand over documents and details of phone calls connected with internet gaming firms, reports say.

Partygaming shares fell 7.5% in early Monday trading while Sportingbet and 888.com lost about 3.5%.

Online gambling was effectively banned in the US last year.

Legislation was introduced that outlawed financial transactions related to gaming.

Falling values

Reports on Sunday said that the Department of Justice had ordered 16 banks, including HSBC, Dresdner Kleinwort and Deutsche Bank, as well as accountants and law firms to pass on information.

In July last year, executives from online gaming firms, including Sportingbet and Betonsports were detained by US authorities.

Last week, two founders of internet payment firm Neteller, which has been used by gaming sites, were charged with handling billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds.

Millions were wiped off the value of internet gaming firms last year as they ceased US trading.

Before the US crackdown on internet gaming, Partygaming had generated about 75% of its income from the US market while about half of 888 Holding's business came from the country.

courtesy of the Poker Gazette

So If the Senators beliefs are to be true then the terrorists just cut off thier own right arm. This is what we as a nation need to get the Government to understand, And take the internet gaming portion out of the port security's bill act.

[regulationsusa]

First let me say I think what opu does for players is a good thing and my comments in no way reflects on opu.

However the port security act has nothing to do with the arrest of the netteller founders and stock holders they were arrested under the old law which has been on the books for 50 years.

As for as all sites not being crooks persay you are correct however if we look at it through the legal aspect every site that takes a bet from a united states citizen is a felon why because it is against the law for any site to take a wager from a usa citizen.

And this will remain true untill the usa legalizes online gaming and regulates the sites doing buisness in the united states every forgein company that does buisness here has to abide by govenment regulations.


Every site on the net violates united states citizens civil right by their policys and rules here is an example here in the united states if a company does us wrong we have the courts to turn to for help with online gaming the gaming sites make their own rules and we have no recourse or any consumer protection.

Untill we have regulations the gaming industry as a whole will remain under a dark cloud all one has to do is visit all the forums and see whom all has been cheated there are so many complaints no one can gamble online and feel any kind of security.

[dowo]

It really is none of the governments business what people do with their money they earn. Gambling is not illegal, if it were why are there casinos to gamlbe in. Why do states have lotteries? If online gambling is illegal then how some horse betting ot state run lotteries are not illegal? Its hypocritical and its none of the governments business.

[regulationsusa]

Lets see how i can explain this is it illegal for gambling sites to take wagers from USA citizens umm gambling sites have been shut down for doing so as well as many have been arrested i think that pretty much says if you are a gambling site out side of the usa and except usa bets its illegal.

now that we have cleared that up lets use common sense if it is illegal to take a bet from a player in the usa then would it not be illegal for the player from usa to wager umm common sense would say yesand so does the law.

State run sites are exempt from those laws as well as horse racing but you can bet they are under strong government regulations in fact all land casinos by regulations can only keep certain percent of the intake they must pay a certain percentage out to players and this is what regulations do.

I dont know if opu is for regulations or not i am new here but one would hope they are which would create a much better industry.

[SirWilliam58]

Originally Posted by regulationsusa

I dont know if opu is for regulations or not i am new here but one would hope they are which would create a much better industry.

Thats what got the Internet Gambling Bill started, There is no possible way that the U.S. can regulate Internet Gaming and the Government get a piece of the pie. This is why some U.S. Senators decided to try and push it into the Port Security's Bill on a sudden notice, the sorta snuck it in so that they could shut U.S. gaming down. A child like response of *If I can't have it then you can't either* mentality. Then when they were questioned on the gaming bill they used the excuse of online gaming supporting terrorism to keep it there.
All in All, Stupidity AGAIN by Our Government leaders.

[dowo]

No matter what anyone says. Its a matter that each person should decide for themselves and not something the government should decide for them. Anything the government gets involved in turns to no good. The government regulating any industry is not a good thing. Stay out of it, its none of their business.

[regulationsusa]

For the Usa to regulate what online gaming comes into the Usa is as easy as pie we need some integrity in the industry anyway.

As for as the usa and the port act getting all this started about internet gaming in the usa is false.Laws in the USA concerning internet gambling has been on the books for years this is not some new idea the usa has just started to enforce laws that has been on the books lets tell it like it is.

The US Department of Justice has consistently maintained that online gambling is illegal. In a letter to US broadcast organisations dated 11 June 2003, John G.Malcolm, the Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Criminal Division,of the United States Department of Justice wrote;

"Notwithstanding their frequent claims of legitimacy, Internet gambling and offshore sportsbook operations that accept bets from customers in the United States violate Sections 1084, 1952, and 1955 of 18 of the United States Code, each of which is a Class E felony. Additionally, pursuant to Title 18. United States Code. Section 2, any person Or entity who aids or abets in the commission of any of the above-listed offenses is punishable as a principal violator of those statutes. The Department of Justice is responsible for enforcing these statutes and we reserve the right to prosecute violators of the law."

[whatwedontknow]

Im not sure what you are looking at that makes you believe anyone is bashing the USA, regulationusa....
but what I do see is that a lot of people are unhappy with what is happening in one way or another, for one reason or another. I dont consider it as bashing, but rather them voicing an opinion.

We need to also be voicing our opinions to those that can make change.

Here is the link that leads to the petition we have been signing at:
Legalize Online Gambling Now Petition

We have also encouraged anyone in online gambling to write reps personally if they choose to. Here is a proposed letter to be changed as anyone sees fit (because I know it isnt perfect).
Feel free to change it to reflect your own personal opinion....the way this is written, it expresses mine.
A personal touch can make it more effective:


To: The Honorable (Add Senators or Reps Name Here)

From: (Your Name) , A voting citizen of the United States of America

Re: New Unlawful Internet Gambling Funding Prohibition Bills.

As a active voting citizen of the United States of America, and a supporter of freedom on the Internet, I encourage you, my representative, to attempt change in reference to new acts/bills that were recently signed. I would like to see gambling on the internet REGULATED instead of outlawing, banning, or permiting me from Gambling on the internet.
I believe this is a freedom of choice for me whether I wish to partake in this form of entertainment, and I do so at my own risk.
I am an adult who is capable of making adult decisions regarding my choices in entertainment. I do not appreciate the United States government violating my privacy and my right to do as I choose in my own house.
I do appreciate the laws passed in an attempt to protect me, but i would like it to not take away my rights or freedoms in the process.

Online gaming can be a regulated revenue source for the United States Government,through a permit, licensing, or taxing program as has been done in the past with alcohol and tobacco.
I believe that online gaming does and can serve as a larger,legitimate "at home occupation" for many people through the affiliate programs that are presently offered.
In fact, many US jobs in advertising, publications and the affiliate industry - people who pay taxes and vote, will be lost now that this legislation is passed.

I encourage you, whom I have voted into office to take the time to find ways to regulate online gaming in this country so as to be fair and beneficial for both the United States Government and the people who wish to enjoy of this form of entertainment.
It is important to me that I vote for those who are interested in safeguarding my personal freedoms and that I elect representatives that I feel will best represent my intrests in the House and Senate.

Sincerely,
(Your Name)

You can look up your state reps here:
Representative Offices - United States House of Representatives, 110th Congress, 1st Session

You can Email your state rep here:
Write Your Representative - Contact your Congressperson in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Senators here:
http://www.senate.gov/general/conta...enators_cfm.cfm

[bartongrl1]

Thank you very much for adding that letter that can be sent by us voicing our opinions. Our senator here in Ohio is a local person so I can hand mine to him lol if that would do any good.

And I agree that no one is bashing anyone just voicing what we have to say about the whole thing.

The fact that the bill didnt stand alone and had to be tacked on to the port bill bothers me. It was a last minute deal apparently, and no one there had time to read it in its entirity before voting.

I have signed the petition and will try to get as many people as I can to also sign it.