Nevada and its caucus

[REOspeedealer]

Originally Posted by charlesjay

But inadvertently, I think you are making the same point many of us are, which is that if the government would like to protect those people who gamble online, they would license and regulate it, and allow it to domicile here in the U.S. The casinos themselves would welcome it because it provides a perceived credibility with the general public that may not exist without regulation. Its real-world usefulness is debatable.

I have just read your thread fellas, and could relate to both sides very clearly. Great read...Hope you won't mind if I interject a little bit?

The above qoute from charlesjay, just like the Nevada Gaming Commission was originally set up by the casinoes, for the publics 'perception' of a fair gamble. While early on, it was just business as usual for the casinoes. [Alot like Ecogra, Kahnawakee[sp?], and the now defunct Montana Disputes - are now]

regulationsusa; I used to perceive the issue exactly as you have stated your opinions in the thread. That gov. regulations and taxes could only benefit US players, from some of the shady things that happen in the I Gaming industry. But after much thought on the matter in the last few weeks. I am leaning towards charlesjay's way of thinking. That when the government proposes to protect me from something, I now also have to worry about protecting myself from the government. Meanwhile, adding an expensive level of bureaucracy to the equation.

The mess we are in now as online punters, was the government protecting us from etc., etc.. Although everyone knows that was bs to start with.

Taxes- I worry about what may happen after Uncle Sam gets his cut. Is PokerStars going to start raking my pots for $5, like the B&M's do? Are we now going to get 6:5 blackjack online, too?

[regulationsusa]

I have to agree this is a really good debate and I do enjoy your guys opinions.
To futher the debate I will say I have been around the forums and know a few owners and know of a lot of stuff that has gone down in the industry that really turns my stomache.

I know for a fact several people won thousands of dollars playing slots at this one site the owners cried there was a mistake made and refused to pay out his/her argument was the software provider in whom I will not mention did a upgrade and was supposed to have set the slots at 100 percent payout.But many wittneses came forward in this same time period whom had droped bundles common sense would tell you this could not be possiable.

But back to the facts the owners or the software providers never presented one shred of proof that there ever was a mistake and the software provider never backed up the sites claims so several people lost thousands of dollars.

Now if we had regs that was designed after the land casinos in the united states there would have to be an independent rep to investigate the software and if in fact there was a mistake proof would have to be provided if there was no proof they would have to pay out period or if I thought the proof was not convincing I could take it to court and let them decide either way I get impartial judgement.

Now this is not an isolated incident I am aware of more at other sites.My friend talked to retired staff that has told him that they were ordered to try and find any reason to deny payout.

I also have been privy to and have seen staff meetings chat logs that really would turn the stomache of the average player.


I also saw on a little forum that was putting pressure on a couple of sites several gaming sites tried to have that little forum shut down I saw the emails
The owner of this little forum had had another forum years back and i saw braging in these emails as to the industry having this little forum shut down.


So I think what I bring to the debate is a little experience and some insider information and from my point of view regs is the only way to be assured that any of us is geting a fair game.

[charlesjay]

Well, yes, I think it is everyone's interest, and certainly the industry's, to assure players that they are going to be dealt with fairly and equitably.

I think we all know stories about operators who have not acted responsibly. Could some form of government oversight remedy this? I imagine to some extent it could.

I was heavily involved with efforts surrounding the federal government's attempts to assume regulation of professional boxing, so I had a bird's eye view of how much real concern the politicos have for getting "experts" involved with the process, which is to say, not much at all.

Perhaps with more tax dollars at stake, the best structure might be a public-private hybrid of sorts. That is, an agency that would consist of people who really knew this business and what had to be done (or not be done, as it were) with a considerable degree of autonomy, but at the same time possessing authority that was veterbrated by law.

I know it sounds like a pipe dream, but it is an idea. And it's only useless if no one ever puts it in front of anybody.

CJ

[REOspeedealer]

The problem with the regulators of any industry is that it just turns into a good 'ol boy network. With the ex regulators going to work for the casinoes after quiting work for the government. And vice versa.

If you win a jackpot in a B&M casino, it is just like online, cover your ass. The tribal authorities may or may not stick up for you. Same with the Nevada Gaming Comm., they may or may not take your side in the matter. Jackpots are voided in B&M every day for machine malfuntions.

It will come down to this eventually. But we as players may find out it's actually not much better.

The English Harbour like scandals is the area where it could possibly benefit the players the most.

[regulationsusa]

I know this is a little off topic but I saw a post at another forum that said americans have never had a legal right to gamble online that all gambling in any form in the usa other than government regulated gambling has been illegal for the last fifty years.

Can anyone point me to a law that has given internet gamblers a legal right to do so if not all this hoopla we hear about the usa taking our gambling rights maybe red herring.