Virtual Danny Part II

[Thatchatch]

This casino group is not to be trusted SLow pays

Danny


Part II


Cheating softwares, rogue casinos.
The worst part of his daily work at Virtual.
RTG games ‘settings’.
The best part of his work: what he enjoys the most.
Cheating players and measures taken.
Bonus Abuse and Advantage Player defined.
The new Virtual multiple account concept.
How many players don’t care if they win or not.
Advise to our online playing community.
And so much more...


Note: Be advised that Danny has accepted to respond to some follow up questions fielded by our members. Any appropriate questions are fine by him.

Warning: This interview cannot be reproduced in whole or in part without the explicit permission of the OPU.



The OPU Interview with Virtual Danny, Virtual Group Casino Manager.

Part II


Thatch: That’s a question that would have belonged in the first part of our interview, but was left out… Do you have hobbies, or other favorite pass times that you have not told us about yet?

Danny: Drawing by the way is also one of them. It’s been 5 years since I have, but I used to love drawing. I’m into abstract mostly; I did however create my character for my children’s book by drawing it within 5 years, so I should say I haven’t done it in 5 years LOL.

Thatch: From what you know, why do you think that some casinos have cheating software and/or do not pay their winners? What is your take on this issue? Are some rogues in this business just to make a lot of quick cash, rob the players and run?

Danny: I would have to ask you what you mean by cheating software. Are you speaking of an 18 year old wiz kid that comes up with his own casino software to make a quick buck? Or are you speaking of RTG? As far as not paying winners, I really can’t answer why certain casinos don’t pay their winners because I would just be speculating on it. There could be a number of reasons. They are just out to make a quick buck and close down after getting a bit… They could have a winner that the casino finds out is a ‘wise guy’ and by rights should have not played from the get go. Why should casinos be any different then sports books? In sports books if you have a wise guy and find out, he doesn’t get paid. And you don’t hear lip from him either, he just walks away and tries to get in the next one to rip off. They might even not pay winners because they just don’t want to, maybe they only have so much to pay and pay in the order of importance. I really don’t know why some casinos don’t pay their winners.

Thatch: What is the worst part of your daily work?

Danny: The last 30 minutes. I always want to walk away for the night knowing I have everything completed. I want to make sure “My Guy” got their cash back, I would want to make sure I answer that last email and not leave him hanging till tomorrow, because believe it or not, I have players that if they were to get cash back, they would email me, and if I don’t answer them they would either just wait or deposit again and wait till the next day till I gave the cash back. Some of “My Guys” wouldn’t ask my co workers, they would just wait. So, knowing that I try to make sure all are taken care of before I split. In other words, the worst part of my work is the closing, because I get stressed out and overwhelmed with a lot at times, wanting to make sure loose ends are tied before I split. That, and the fact that I didn’t have any New York pizza for the whole day, LOL.

Thatch: What’s the best part, what you enjoy the most?

Danny: There’s a combination here on what the best part is and what I really enjoy. Getting deposits from my promo is the number one best part. It tells me they enjoyed my promo and liked my idea for the day and were attracted enough to it to deposit. You see the promos I send out are mine. I come up with a majority of them. I come up with the way I want to present it, the color I add, the fonts I use. I don’t necessarily come up with the Bonus % all the time but they way it’s presented is all me! I really take a freaky pride in them.

That’s why a while ago when you invited me in, I ask only 2 things of you. Not to make fun of my spelling and to not make fun of my promos. I have a complex about my spelling LOL, and deeply work hard on my promos. When players deposit with them that makes me think I came up with something good for the day, I did something someone liked. You know what I mean? It’s like saying someone likes me today. It’s a cool feeling. Its not me saying Yeah, I got another one to deposit, It’s me doing the Julia Roberts “ You like me, You really like me” LOL, and if you ever made fun of my promos? Whoooooo lets just say you would never exist in my world. My view of you wouldn’t be a nice one. Like that day long ago I did a McDanny promo poking fun at McDonald’s. Another forum guy who I don’t personally know but think is a piece of *** work, made fun of it… I will never have respect for this person ever. Man just listening to myself say things like this scares me, LOL DO I NOT HAVE A LIFE???????? LOL

Thatch: Cheating players... Do you have any that try and cheat your casino? How do they cheat and what makes them think then might get away with it?

Danny: I do need you to be specific when saying this word cheat. I have to tell you this is a powerful word, just like Love and Friend. Very powerful and should be explained. People can look at this word as a player using a machine to “cheat”, or a player looking for the right bonus to use that will guarantee them a win when they were not allowed to use that bonus, yet it was redeemed so they feel they should be allowed. That may be considered cheating as well.

Thatch: What measures do you take with the culprits?

Danny: I spam them with my McDonalds Promos LOL. I call them 3am in the morning. If they are men I get a woman to call hoping a wife or girlfriend answers then have them say “Oh, I’m sorry he didn’t tell me he was married.” If they are a woman I simple read off their home address and ask them “How long are you going to be home for the night”? Or after I get ‘taken’ by them I simply wait till the nights over and take the family out the next day on the new 10 foot blow up raft with motor that I just bought on line with their credit card. LOL, I usually feel better after that… LOL

Thatch: Danny! Surely you are pulling our leg there…?

Danny: Of course I am… I’d never do such a thing and could not do it to begin with LOL, anyone who knows me and you should know me a bit by now, knows that I have a well balanced sense of humor…

Thatch: What definitions would you give the famous expressions: Bonus Abuser and Advantage Player?

Danny: A bonus Abuser is a player that takes the bonus for the sole purpose of cashing out $1 after the set play for that particular bonus EACH and EVERY TIME they deposit! In other words, they don’t play to play and hope to win THEY CHEAT… LOL. Hmm yes, now you can use that word. They play to only take the bonus to cash out and make money that they really didn’t earn. It’s cool for a player to take a bonus and then reach the playthrough and then cash out, that’s fine! That’s why we give them bonuses and set playthroughs on them - so the player has a chance with the extra money, and at the same time the casino has a chance, an even leverage, so to speak, with the player at that point with the playthrough. But, its only cool if not abused in such a way that you do it on purpose EACH AND EVERY TIME or you lose sight of the reason why you started playing in the first place, which was for the fun and excitement of winning, and you now are only playing to cash out, only playing for that $1 over play! Advantage player is a player that doesn’t even need a bonus, bottom line: ‘wise guy’, so to speak.

Thatch: By the way, I’ve received a recent promo where you’ve changed the term Advantage Player into Advanced Players. I liked the term… Now: How quick is Virtual these days at paying players (those who play with bonuses vs. those who play without bonuses?) Your site and promos state a 3 to 5 day payouts.

Danny: No difference whatsoever! It doesn’t matter if you took a bonus or not, it will still take 2 months for you to get paid, LOL! Seriously, it doesn’t matter if you took a bonus or not, that’s not even looked at…!

Thatch: To be honest with you, and that’s me, I feel much more comfortable since I’ve gotten your email stating that all payouts will now be processed by you - at least I know the person that will handle my cashout! Now, some say that some countries have more gamblers, per capita then others. Do you subscribe to that concept? Do Americans or the British gamble more than players from Denmark, etc…?

Danny: I heard that as well. I have to tell you with all honesty I can’t answer that about “My Guys” if that’s what you’re also asking. I treat everyone the same, ask around and you’ll find this out to be true. From a $10 to a $1000 I treat them the same and never look at them differently then one another. I never really thought of this question more then once. I did one time think about it when for reasons I don’t remember, 2 accounts came to my attention and both were from like Indonesia. I then for a moment began to think Hmm… I wonder which country gambles the most… then the thought just died because I had to turn my attention to give a free chip to someone, LOL.

Thatch: The new Virtual. The new concept, the way I understand it, and you’ve told me that I’ve got it right. That would make for many questions and answers back and forth… I’ve tried hard to make it as simple as I can. There’s several ‘clones’ or identical Virtual casino sites, can I elaborate this, and then you can confirm my understanding?

Danny: They are not clones! They are each their own so to speak. Yes you can play a bonus in each. You may have 1 account in each one. When I say account I mean you can actually sing up a new and different username and deposit and redeem codes in each one. You can even, and this is the best part, log onto Crystal (or any other) with your Virtual user name if you’re not doing well in Virtual, and your money will follow you. No need to even deposit again. They are each their own. Not doing well in one, go to the other. It’s really a neat idea. Go ahead.

Thatch: OK I won’t call them clones, I knew that you didn’t like the term, but I thought I’d mention the word because there are many that do refer to Virtual’s separate casinos as such, and do not understand the concept. Here I go. In the five following casinos, I can have an account at each, and take a bonus at each. Your words on that is “United, yet fully separate” from one another. The 5 casinos are:

TheVirtualCasino.com
CrystalClubCasino.com
WintItCasino.com
VegasStripCasino.com
Spin2WinCasino.com

I could open an account at each, like Thatch1 at the first, Thatch2 at the second, Thatch3 at the third, etc. Then take a bonus that’s applicable for each. The new concept is that even if Thatch2 has a balance at the third casino, he could go to that third casino and play as Thatch2 and my balance from the second casino would follow me there. And if my luck is not doing well, I could log out then log back in as Thatch3 and play that account. In other words they are the same, but at the same time they’re all fully separate. An extreme example would be that I could play all my 5 accounts, by logging out as one and logging in as another with up to 5 usernames without impunity.

Danny: Yes that’s about it. We have decided it was high time to allow you guys more then one account because now, those 5 casinos just mentioned are all separate. Before, you'd go to anyone of those and click download and it would take you to The Virtual Casino and download as just that. But now those casinos are separate. They have their own random generators. It’s like playing 5 different RTGs.

You are now allowed to have 5 different IDs, 1 in each Casino. If you have a cashout pending in one, yes, you can deposit in the other and use any code for that casino and continue playing. You can even do this... Say you deposit in The Virtual, not doing so well? Log off and then log onto Crystal with your Virtual ID and your money will follow you into that casino. Now play another RTG casino with another random generator. It’s really cool. We still only give 1 free chip before each deposit, so if you received a free chip say in WinItCasino, we can’t turn around and give you one in VegasStripCasino.

Thatch: As much as I tried to be clear, there’s no doubt that there could be questions on this. I understand the concept fully, after thought, but some may need this to be put in a different way. An entirely new concept sometimes has to be reflected on to be understood. Some of us are aware that you’ve tried your best to explain this ‘somewhere else’, where some people simply refused (or did not even try) to understand. It’s different here, and what’s perhaps the biggest problem that we have with the ‘somewhere else’ mentioned: comprehension...

Danny: What some people have to see is: Things have changed dramatically. Rules have changed dramatically. Ideas have changed dramatically. And will continue, especially in the next coming Days and Weeks…!

Note to members: the following question was asked before Danny became full manager, and was not revised.

Thatch: What are the settings at the games at Virtual, (BJ, slots settings, Video poker settings) if you are in the know about this?

Danny: It’s now 8 decks in Black Jack if I remember correctly. Funny but I don’t know of the slots and video are because I didn’t handle that area nor have I had in all the time working there have I had anyone ask me that question. Now, for you guys thinking “yeah but you were a customer service rep. and should know these things”. Understand, My work here shifted in a direction that no one ever knew would go. Although I have been there for 3 years, my main thing was, and is getting personal with players and making sure that “My Guys” were taken care of. My dealings have always been personal. Now ask me who had a grandson or who just moved and how much it cost him and you’d be in my ball park…!

Thatch: What is the average player’s deposit?

Danny: There is no such thing as an average player in my eyes…

Thatch: OK, we’ll leave that out… How many players actually play at Virtual without a bonus?

Danny: Hmm… There are some, but the Bonus Players overwhelmingly outweigh them! If I had to give you a quick answer for how many players that I know of, that played tonight without a bonus I’d say 1! LOL. And I always have Many, Many players… I had a daily guy who never, ever took a bonus. He plays every day. Even he now takes a bonus…

Thatch: How many players actually win - with a bonus - as opposed to playing without a bonus?

Danny: If your question is do players that take bonuses win more often, the answer is Yes, WITHOUT a doubt…!

Thatch: How many players, if you know, percentage-wise (or your own guess) just play for fun and don’t care if they win or lose - as opposed to those who absolutely aim to win?

Danny: My quick educated guess, without thinking, would be that 20% don’t care.

Thatch: What advise would you give our readers about online gambling?

Danny: Understand that it’s a business…! But with all businesses, find the one that treats you with respect and one that gives you what YOU want in a bonus play, not what THEY want. Don’t settle for just the respect and not the bonus (chances are the respect is just a facade anyway just to get your deposit). Nor should you just settle for a casino that gives you the right bonus. Even if it’s all the time…! - Without the respect! It’s your money BEFORE it’s theirs, and you should be the one to say how it’s spent. And you can say it by just not playing with casinos that don’t give you both a good bonus And Respect…!

Thatch: Do you have parting words, something to add?

Danny: Well, as you know from an earlier email, I found out that I have been made the new Manager of The Virtual Casino Group. I know your policy of not allowing Managers to post. I hope that you change this soon. It is real important for communication to develop between players and workers. For instance, if I had not stumbled onto your forum by accident, and had you not allowed me in, My views on players that post in forums would have stayed the same. “They just are complainers; they are just free chippers etc.” Because I came in, that view has been thrown out. The same can be said about me. Had I not come in, you guys may have thought I was scum because you think I spam players all the time… But now at least you know a bit more about me, and will change that point of view. I’m gonna still spam ya but maybe you won’t think of me as scum. LOL! I’m kidding, I’m kidding…!

Thatch: The good news that I have for our members is that our management will not take away the keys that you were handed when you joined the OPU. It’s our great pleasure to have you as a co-member and we ask that you not leave, as it would be a great loss for all of us.

Danny, once again we thank you immensely for all of the time that you've afforded us, your honesty and candor.

Please accept our very best regards,

Thank you.

Thatch


Co-members, you have Part II. The board is yours for any questions that you may have, so ask away! By the way I would like to be the bearer of good news and announce that Danny is preparing an Exclusive OPU Free Chip offer for all of our members - stay tuned!

[lolastarfish]

Great job Thach And Thank you Danny for giving your tine to do this. Noe we know more about you.

[lolastarfish]

Great job Thach And Thank you Danny for giving your time to do this. Now we know more about you and the casino you run.

[SirWilliam58]

Thanks Thatch, well done, and thanks Danny for your insights and time, it is very much appreciated.

[caruso]

There's a problem here:

Thatch: There’s several ‘clones’ or identical Virtual casino sites, can I elaborate this, and then you can confirm my understanding?

Danny: They are not clones! They are each their own so to speak. Yes you can play a bonus in each. You may have 1 account in each one. When I say account I mean you can actually sing up a new and different username and deposit and redeem codes in each one. You can even, and this is the best part, log onto Crystal (or any other) with your Virtual user name if you’re not doing well in Virtual, and your money will follow you. No need to even deposit again. They are each their own. Not doing well in one, go to the other. It’s really a neat idea. Go ahead.

Thatch: OK I won’t call them clones, I knew that you didn’t like the term, but I thought I’d mention the word because there are many that do refer to Virtual’s separate casinos as such, and do not understand the concept. Here I go. In the five following casinos, I can have an account at each, and take a bonus at each. Your words on that is “United, yet fully separate” from one another. The 5 casinos are:

TheVirtualCasino.com
CrystalClubCasino.com
WintItCasino.com
VegasStripCasino.com
Spin2WinCasino.com

I could open an account at each, like Thatch1 at the first, Thatch2 at the second, Thatch3 at the third, etc. Then take a bonus that’s applicable for each. The new concept is that even if Thatch2 has a balance at the third casino, he could go to that third casino and play as Thatch2 and my balance from the second casino would follow me there. And if my luck is not doing well, I could log out then log back in as Thatch3 and play that account. In other words they are the same, but at the same time they’re all fully separate. An extreme example would be that I could play all my 5 accounts, by logging out as one and logging in as another with up to 5 usernames without impunity.

Danny: Yes that’s about it. We have decided it was high time to allow you guys more then one account because now, those 5 casinos just mentioned are all separate. Before, you'd go to anyone of those and click download and it would take you to The Virtual Casino and download as just that. But now those casinos are separate. They have their own random generators. It’s like playing 5 different RTGs.

You are now allowed to have 5 different IDs, 1 in each Casino. If you have a cashout pending in one, yes, you can deposit in the other and use any code for that casino and continue playing. You can even do this... Say you deposit in The Virtual, not doing so well? Log off and then log onto Crystal with your Virtual ID and your money will follow you into that casino. Now play another RTG casino with another random generator. It’s really cool. We still only give 1 free chip before each deposit, so if you received a free chip say in WinItCasino, we can’t turn around and give you one in VegasStripCasino.

This does not address the issue of the ACTUAL clones. NOT the five separate entities but the five CLONES.

They are:

A blackjack
Dreams Casino
Golden Dreams casino
Partycity casino
Just Win casino
U1 casino

...giving a total of eleven additional units.

This issue needed clarification. The five separate casinos are now clear, but these clones are not. Additionally, the fact that these six clones are all mixed in with the four separate ones (five including Virtual itself) at the top of the Virtual homepage muddies the waters very badly. On one side you have Golden Dreams - which is a clone - and on the other, Crystal Club - which is not.

This is in the first place very confusing, and in the second the matter needed to be addressed and was not.

[DamianDunlap]

Yes please explain the clones. If someone don't know if they a clone and take a bonus, would you claim they using more than one accounts.

So it will not be hard on your customers, state on the front page this is a clone and if someone download, send them a email to let them know.

[joeyl]

Virtual have been rogues for atleast 5 years. If they clear up the clones, I won't unrogue them even after 5 years of perfect behaviour.

[Thatchatch]

Hi everyone,

My personal understanding expressed of the 5 specific casinos; the way they function was thoroughly explained to me by Danny, as he elaborated on them, and answered the questions that I had to make sure double sure that I understood correctly.

The rest of the ‘versions, skins or clones’: one of my latest and subsequent ‘early morning’ questions that I had for Danny in the interview was to clarify, addressing the issue in his own words.

I told Danny that I was aware that there are other ‘copies’ of the Virtual casino (some call them ‘clones’ or skins) – that I wish that they wouldn’t exist, or that those other skins were part of the ‘five as one’ for everyone to understand and would not have to elaborate on them. But they do exist and are not part of part of the ‘United while Separate’ concept, I would like for him to give me, again in his own words as to how address the other ‘skins’ issue from a question.

My deadline imposed on myself to post the completed interview was this past Friday. While I did call him at his work for some clarity on topics, I felt it was not proper to harass him during his work hours. The main conversation venue that we had was through numerous PMs, back and forth. The process was not an easy one as I more or less had to be online to get his answers from the previous day at his own scheduled time of his visits to our site, and that was usually between 3 and 4 AM EST.

Last Wednesday AM Danny expressed in his PMs that he was ill, and not feeling well enough to read and answer all of my PMs, let alone clarifying some sent right back at him asking to clarify an answer. Thursday morning he also did express not feeling well, said that he felt sorry about that, but while he responded to every PM it was in one-liners saying that again he was not feeling well enough to read and answer all of my PMs.

Having already passed my deadline I posted all the material that I could and in an email sent to him I mentioned the fact that what was not posted or topics that were not clear may bring this interview to being one to be cleared up by addressing members’ queries through the follow up questions.

Danny had mentioned that he had a day off and I hoped that my questions expressed to him via PM and email would be answered. I was hoping that my answers would be all answered yesterday AM before I had to post Part II. I just checked my email before I attempt to respond myself on this thread on our site and I have an email from Danny. He explains to me that his personal computer, to one he uses to visit here was out of commission yesterday. I mentioned the subject brought up here and asked of him to join in the thread.
The email is from his work address, and as to the timing of him addressing questions here, I would think that he would do after his work is done for the day. Hopefully he will, as soon as possible but I surely can not ask of Danny that he leaves his work aside to immediately do so.

To sum it up, I posted all of the material that I could, all that I did understand clearly as I thought it was my duty to do so. It was either that or not post it...! The interview is not completed to all of our satisfaction. There were some days of illness, a computer breakdown and Danny is made aware of the situation where he is asked to put – in his own words – the role of the ‘versions’ not included in the ‘5’ concept. It’s not my duty to address that in my own words and it would be wrong to do so. Hopefully Danny will be here shortly.

Regards,


P.S. This reply is rushed. As the interviewer and the poster, if have to take the heat for the omissions until Danny explains them explains them freshly to our members, and one more time to joeyl and casuso - I just can't repeat what he has told you before, btw I thought he was clear - I condider him as a friend, but I am can't act as a Virtual rep. The versions (clones or skins) question has not been answered in his own words - to me - so I have to leave it up to Danny

[lanidar2003]

Co-members, you have Part II. The board is yours for any questions that you may have, so ask away! By the way I would like to be the bearer of good news and announce that Danny is preparing an Exclusive OPU Free Chip offer for all of our members – stay tuned!
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Thatchatch
OPU 4113


YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!

After you people said that you were NOT going to support this stinking, shit ass, lying, cheating mothers you go and do this!?

[m249a]

I read that too, and it zipped right over my head :confused: Ummm.....I think it is still in the preparing stage if you will.....and as far as I am concerned it can stay in that stage.

There are some troubling issues from the past with this group, and at this time a working affiliate relationship with the virtual group and the OPU is not in the works.

I hope that clarifies things. Thanks for raising that question Uncle Lanidar. And I hope my reply has cleared that up.

Virtual Danny came here and asked for a chance to get to know the forums, and get to know us (The OPU) a bit. I think he joined a few other forums as well. To date, the man has taken great care to be open and couretous to the Staff and the rank and file Union members. So, even though we try to enforce a no casino employee policy, an exception is made for him. I am willing to try this out for a bit, and see what if any reaction the Union members have.

I hope that takes care of the outsiders that seem to think we should be running the OPU their way.

[lanidar2003]

Thanks m249a!
I know that in any business higher echelon don't communicate as well as they should.

When I read that...I couldn't believe my eyes.
You, Damian and myself have had quite a few discussions regarding

The Virtual Casino Group Scumbag Outfit

and I remember clearly the fact that OPU would never endorse

The Virtual Casino Scumbag Outfit.

I know such a contraversial topic as

The Virtual Casino Group Scumbag Outfit

brings tons of hits to the OPU.
So, I can appreciate the want for an interview with the NEW manager.

I will say this...
No matter WHO the manager may be
NOTHING
is or will ever change.

A theif, is a thief, is a thief!!

[m249a]

Of course it brings hits. :D And traffic, 2 things I enjoy very much. But more importantly, it gives the man some valauble insight into what PLAYERS outside of his group of players have to say.

You (lanidar) and I as well as most of the members here are all PLAYERS, and we all have something to say.

Speak you mind, as I know you will, but lets see if there is hope for a group that is NOT going out of business anytime soon.

If we as players express our opinions, and offer our suggestions to people like Vdanny, then we can at the BARE minimum say, we tried. We told you what was messed up, In our opinion, and what is keeping US from using your company to provide entertainment for us.

What he does with that information is soley up to him.

[lanidar2003]

Of course it brings hits. :D And traffic, 2 things I enjoy very much. But more importantly, it gives the man some valauble insight into what PLAYERS outside of his group of players have to say.
Hits ARE great and I enjoy them also. :D
But, I KNOW the man already knows what players have to say about this group.

You (lanidar) and I as well as most of the members here are all PLAYERS, and we all have something to say.

Speak you mind, as I know you will, but lets see if there is hope for a group that is NOT going out of business anytime soon.
I always have something to say about Virtual.
Never anything good... of course.
Not seeming to be rude, m249a, but why don't you set up a poll and ask the players if there is ANY hope for this outfit.
And, I do agree that they are NOT going to go out of business anytime soon at all!
That's because they keep stealing players money...period.

If we as players express our opinions, and offer our suggestions to people like Vdanny, then we can at the BARE minimum say, we tried. We told you what was messed up, In our opinion, and what is keeping US from using your company to provide entertainment for us.

What he does with that information is soley up to him.
I'm sure Vdanny know of the opinions of the GREAT majority of the players.
You know what he's going to do with the opinions?
NOTHING...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

You can't change a LEPOARDS spots!

[joeyl]

As the interviewer and the poster, if have to take the heat for the omissions until Danny explains them explains them freshly to our members, and one more time to joeyl and casuso - I just can't repeat what he has told you before, btw I thought he was clear - I condider him as a friend, but I am can't act as a Virtual rep. The versions (clones or skins) question has not been answered in his own words - to me - so I have to leave it up to Danny

Thatchatch. Caruso is Caruso, he thinks you should have asked certain pertinent questions. I see you now actually asked those questions but surprise surprise, Danny dodged those questions with illness and poota problems. Of course he should answer in work time, this is work related.

Joeyl is Joeyl and thinks the upper eschelons of Virtual etc are rogue and no paid staff can change that fact, VDanny's hands are tied.

So now you know.

[SirWilliam58]

Of course it brings hits. :D And traffic, 2 things I enjoy very much. But more importantly, it gives the man some valauble insight into what PLAYERS outside of his group of players have to say.

You (lanidar) and I as well as most of the members here are all PLAYERS, and we all have something to say.

Speak you mind, as I know you will, but lets see if there is hope for a group that is NOT going out of business anytime soon.

If we as players express our opinions, and offer our suggestions to people like Vdanny, then we can at the BARE minimum say, we tried. We told you what was messed up, In our opinion, and what is keeping US from using your company to provide entertainment for us.

What he does with that information is soley up to him.




I myself thought the same thing, ok we are trying to give this a chance. So far I thought this to be open by VDanny. I must say that the clone or skins thing has me a bit confused, however I'm not a big online casino player. I'm mostly on the poker sites. But if there have been problems with this group in the past one must think...Is a new manager going to really change the casino owners tactics?
Just my thoughts. :)

[lanidar2003]

I myself thought the same thing, ok we are trying to give this a chance. So far I thought this to be open by VDanny. I must say that the clone or skins thing has me a bit confused, however I'm not a big online casino player. I'm mostly on the poker sites. But if there have been problems with this group in the past one must think...Is a new manager going to really change the casino owners tactics?
Just my thoughts. :)

IF
there have been problems in the past?
I KNOW that we ALL know that there ARE problems from the past and there will continue to be problems in the future.
I think that answers the question regarding the NEW manager issue.

[DamianDunlap]

If the OPU wants to take on a casino, we will. We back what we put up.
When Ted was manager of Virtual I got paid,Didnt see no way out complaints. I don't see no complaints now. There has not been no crazy complaints for the pass 2 years.

Please ask Danny or any other person in the interview section in a calm manner questions.

[DamianDunlap]

IF
there have been problems in the past?
I KNOW that we ALL know that there ARE problems from the past and there will continue to be problems in the future.
I think that answers the question regarding the NEW manager issue.


uncle i dont agree to this statement, I recall sci fi, making mistakes and they have had a clean history for the pass 3 years. Intercasino mistakes, micro casinos problems. All business have problems.

The main problem with virtual casino in my eyes is them clones, he was talking to us, now he might want, cause of posting tone.

So i am going to ask, him can he helps us help him, make his casino a place where players will not have problems.

Virtual is not going no place, so why not work with them to help clean up there act. If there willing.

[joeyl]

Yes damian, that is the commonly held view by Watchdogs and portal owners, players too.

Ie give them a chance to behave. If no chances are given to rogues and/or mistakes, the Watchdog has nothing to offer as a carrot to get a bad casino to turn good.

I do not hold with that view.

Virtual are Rogue. If VD does'nt like that tone, it would not be "tone" persay atall ~ it is the "content" of the post. My posts are plenty polite enough for all forums, just maybe not for rogue casinos.

Edit to add ~ Sci Fi = rogue.

[DamianDunlap]

joeyl, define roque?

[VirtualDanny]

Hi lolastarfish

Your welcome.

[VirtualDanny]

Hi SirWilliam58

My pleasure

[joeyl]

Rogue can have varying definitions.

I am using the definition in relation to a deceitful and/or unreliable casino. (past or present)

[VirtualDanny]

Hi caruso and others on this

On the bottom of the home pages of those Casinos, it states those are part of The Virtual Casino Group.

We have more then 1 for the variety, for the player.

We have no problem with anything dealing with this subject

If you know of someone that has a problem, tell them to contact me. But I’m confident there is no problem. And has been none from today past for a while. End of story.

You guys will have to understand, things evolve, people change, ideas put forth and once implemented, sometimes WILL have to get adjusted. When that happens, welcome that change and see it for what it is. Not, for what it used to be


Danny

[VirtualDanny]

Hi DamianDunlap, nice to hear from you again joeyl

Like I said, we have no problems on this subject. If we did we would handle it appropriately. And just like all situations we have handled appropriately, we have the player in mind.

Doesn’t anyone want to know what my favorite color is?



lol

[VirtualDanny]

HI lanidar2003

Along with evolving for the better, so shall people evolve
For it is the destiny of the world to be better.

Turn over a dollar bill lanidar2003
See the pyramid?
Its not finished…
Its not finished, because we are not finished
We are meant to continue to evolve and do better
And we will


Danny

[bartongrl1]

Thank you for answering the above posts. I am sure that things are going to change for the better at virtual. again thank you

[VirtualDanny]

Hi m249a

and I thank you for your kindness.

Like I stated from the get go, I was searching the net for something else and came across your forum link in which contained a paragraph of words that caught my eye.

Seeing how EZBoard.com has already welcomed me and made me feel comfortable enough, I became interested in learning more about forums, and the players attached to them. I wanted to get a full perspective of on line forum players to improve my thoughts on them. And when you accepted me and made me feel even more comfortable, my view of on line forum players changed dramatically. That’s why I stayed.

My views of the on line forum players before were not pleasant, they were not pleasant because I had my own uneducated opinion of them and never did seek more info on it to actually educate myself. That was until I have experienced it here again for myself.

Things were said lanidar2003 that’s all. It was conversation on a topic that I expressed interest in. Such as many topics that arise that I express interest in.

lanidar2003, Do not hold back the man that wishes to advance for more education, for more experience, for a better way to seek out what might just be a better way. Do not hold back those wishing to believe change can be good. Accept them for wanting to improve themselves and others around them, and be open to it. You’ll never be willing to change yourself if you do. We all have a part of us inside that wants to be changed for the better lanidar2003 and its never too late to start to put away the fear of failure and go with a change for better


I have to go for now but will come back and continue reading

Danny

[VirtualDanny]

Hi joeyl

Your quote
Rogue can have varying definitions.

I am using the definition in relation to a deceitful and/or unreliable casino. (past or present)


I understood what you meant,

I Don’t know why you felt the need to post that quote above
after my post saying hello to you and that it was nice to hear from you again.

I didn’t understand the meaning behind your quote above, no disrespect intended

Were you trying to clarify something?
Did you think I thought of your quote as a compliment?
Did you think others would think that,
then look at you differently because you look at The Virtual differently?

If So,
Man, are you guys that fearful of what others might think of you
just because your willing to be open minded to change?

If I misunderstood the reasoning for your quote above,
Please forgive me

No, I didn’t take it as a compliment before if that’s what you thought.

I have to go

Danny

[DamianDunlap]

Danny i have a question.

you have 10 clones that i see, if a person signs up to all of them take abonus will they be paid?

[SirWilliam58]

Danny i have a question.

you have 10 clones that i see, if a person signs up to all of them take abonus will they be paid?



And in addition to that question, since all the clones to my understanding are linked together, do the fulfillment requirements have to be met on all 10 clones before the player will be paid?

[Thatchatch]

Hi everyone,

Be advised that my personal opinions expressed here publicly are those of a player. This post is posted with me in a peaceful mood – as mellow as one can be with F18s, F16s, Snowbirds and other noisy aircrafts are buzzing over his head! I’m on the lake shore in Toronto, and the CNE’s ‘air show’ is presently ‘raging’!

How long must we hate, how long must we hold grudges for things done a generation past?! What the heck are we hanging on to? Danny’s back to answer questions, but people that don’t want to hear, or understand those answers, and would rather hear things that ‘Suck’, the answers may be above them – so much for their ‘superior’ intellect - some pat each others behinds telling each other 'how intelligent' they are, what a contradiction! Let's get real, people...

3 years is a generation computers-wise and online casinos-wise. I’m sure that our regular members are more open-minded and will at least listen, if not try to understand. I had deposited and won several times in the ‘iffy’ years of Virtual myself, and got paid every time! I’m not going to say that they did not take their own ‘sweet time’ to pay, because they sure as heck did! Nevertheless I got paid each and every time… having me crossing my fingers on every occasion, waiting for payment…

Damian mentions having played at Virtual during Ted’s ‘reign’ as manager of Virtual, well so did I, twice (!) and cashed out without a problem – and much quicker too! That was after Ted took some ‘flak’ for what Virtual stood for years before he took over as manager himself. Btw I did play (small stuff) under Danny at the controls and lost. Oh well, so much for my 100% W-L with Virtual… But overall, where it counts: money-wise, I’m still way above 100%, closer to 200% ahead.

One question I have for all: what members have been done wrong by Virtual in the last, let’s say three years? Please stand up and say so, because the right person is here to look into your problems – and fix it. Please be advised that silence would speak for itself…

Danny, as a co-member, I’m glad that you’re feeling better and that you PC’s woes are fixed. Favorite colors, hmm (I’ve put that Q down as a must question in any further interviews I may do) Danny, better late then never: what is your favorite color, and why is it so, if you know? Mine is blue, has been since I was a tot and discovered climbing… I would climb to the highest rooftop I could find, and lie on my back staring at the blue sky, confident that I could do so for hours as nobody would disturb me, as nobody (my buddies or my family!) would never imagine where I was… :)

Regards,

[lanidar2003]

uncle i dont agree to this statement, I recall sci fi, making mistakes and they have had a clean history for the pass 3 years. Intercasino mistakes, micro casinos problems. All business have problems.

The main problem with virtual casino in my eyes is them clones, he was talking to us, now he might want, cause of posting tone.

So i am going to ask, him can he helps us help him, make his casino a place where players will not have problems.

Virtual is not going no place, so why not work with them to help clean up there act. If there willing.


Hi Damian...
It's OK that you don't agree with me. We all have the right to disagree.
I've made posts over the months and months regarding CLONES and people that they have screwed.
I'm tired of re-hashing it over and over again.

Ted couldn't help you or anyone else for that matter.
Danny is not going to make a difference.
It's the people that run the group that have the last say.
And THEY don't give a fat rats ass about anything BUT the bottom line.

Danny has replied to a couple of my comments.
I really don't want to go back and forth with him.
I did it with dozens of people...including Amit Jain and Christine Jennings at Cirrus, too many times to count.
Why would I want to bother with a manager when I've already dealt with the boss.
I'm tired Damian...really tired.
And DON"T forget that Virtual DELETED Insom!!!

[joeyl]

For Danny.

joeyl, define roque?

You firm has a history of having 2 million clones, none of which were clearly marked as being part of the Virtual Group. Only 1 account allowed though. Possible to open an account at each, but won't get paid if win.

Terms posted on the website not the same as in the casino terms.

Links with other rogue firms such as Cirrus.

Jain runs dodgy sportsbook.

And other stuff I forget. Most done while you never worked there.

If you want to clear your firms name, I suggest you stop saying the clone issue is dealt with, stop trying to say players won't be confused because of the download module similarities and the logos at the bottom of the casinos and start coming correct in all aspects, on every question.

That said, the truth is I am a cynic and I think it would be impossible to convince me unless the management sells up to a known entity, but others just may.

[m249a]

You firm has a history of having 2 million clones, none of which were clearly marked as being part of the Virtual Group. Only 1 account allowed though. Possible to open an account at each, but won't get paid if win.

Maybe not 2 million........but 2 is more then enough. Check that....1 is more then enough.

It is one thing to have other sites advertised.....other sites owned by Virtual, or controlled by/interest in the others bottom line.

FINE!!!!!!!!

BUT......Openly marketing to players, to attract them to another casino with the promise of a "NEW" bonus, when you know DAMN WELL that if they clear that bonus, or profit in ANY way, their accounts will be locked, and winnings will be forfited.

Now, lets say 2 players log onto one of your many casinos.

Player X and Player Y.

Neither one know anything about forums, watchdogs, nothing.....they are both dream players for a online casino. They are ignorant of the pages and pages of terms and conditions, and what they mean to them as a player.

Both players download and deposit.

Both players accept the bonus (cause its automatic anyway).

Now, lets seperate them.

Player X loses his money quickly, and as he is logging off, the redirect page tells him FLASH FLASH FLASH "Click here for a 300% bonus" so he does, and deposits, and loses, and gets frustrated, logs off, and sees a new FLASH FLASH FLASH "Click here...." Total of 3 times, each time, a new account at a casino he THINKS is different.....never wins, he comes back a few days later, figuers it was just bad luck, and does it AGAIN!!!!

Now.....Player Y, deposits and accepts the bonus. Loses, logs off, and redirect page sees FLASH FLASH FLASH "Play here and get a 300% bonus"....and he does.....but this player has a run of a lifetime.....and wins, BIG TIME. Let's say he deposited $500.00, and the reels or cards were good to him. He plays for hours and hours and finally decides to cash out. He has met the WR's for the 2nd bonus, and makes a withdraw request of his balance minus the original $500.00 deposit.

So......the question is this. What happens to Player X? At what point do you lock his accounts? He is CLEARLY violating the terms and conditions....he has multiple accounts.....a BIG NO NO!!!! But he hasn't won anything yet. And he deposits.....ALOT. Do you send him an email telling him of his infraction of the rules? Or do you simply lock his account? Or......do you let him go. until he does win, then drop the hammer on him?

Player Y, of course you lock his account and keep his deposit, and send him a nasty note telling him how bad of a person he is. That goes without saying ;)

This (used) to be standard operating procedure for your company.

Maybe it still is????

But to those of us that have been 1/2 of the way around the block.....having all of these clones, and ADVERTISING them to the players on each others sites.....seems like this practice of "old" could be easily resurected in order to fatten up the bottom line if needed.

Nothing personal here Virtual Danny, but some of these legitimate questions need to be addressed.

The clones are not independant of the main Virtual brand....and because of that, it is very easy to stick a winning player with the "fradulent player" brand.....while all the time accepting deposits from losing players.

What say you Sir?

[Thatchatch]

That said, the truth is I am a cynic and I think it would be impossible to convince me...

Hi joeyl,

I'm not responding on behalf of anyone... That person will be back to answer after his work.

This is a comment from me to you:

Thank you for your honesty, but since you admit that no answers will dissuade you from your credo, why ask questions to begin with? What you're telling us is that, with you, it's more or less a one-way street, thus no dialogue is possible... Why do you bother?

Regards,

[Phynqster]

Hey all, just wanted to through in a few comments and opinions. Please do not take these as d3efending the casino, or promoting them. These are just a couple of things I was hopeing to clear up that I know. The Virtual Casino had at one time over 300 casinos that all fed into it. When you down loaded these casinos they DID NOT tell you that it was part of TVC. Even when you read terms and conditions it did not always even mention them. Posters here are right that there were problems when people would download those casinos and play welcome bonuses and multiple sights. I can tell you that for over the last 2 years those "clones" have all been closed and all links are dead or direct to TVC.
People ask why the casino has these new 10 excisting clones?. Well one reason is like some posters here have said" I will never trust TVC no mater what", So instead of just changing the name of the casino, they have created other names to go by.This way some players who don't know that TVC is a casino and not just a software will not be confused. Also these clones are there for marketing purposes. Hell Yes it is sent to players who might not like TVC or don't apeal to that name or might not like the color of that casino,(remember we are talking about superstious gamblers). This gives players a psychological edge they may be looking for. Untill recently each of those 10 clones would all download as TVC and the graphics of the actual casino would all say TVC. I am not 100% sure of the next thing, but RTG has know made it possible for each of these 10 clones to each have it's own skin, meaning that the actual casino itself will know show that's casinos graphics in the casino. Eventually all 10 will have there own 10 skins. When I left there a few months ago they had 0 skins , now they have 5, and I am pretty sure that the rest of these "clones" will have there own skins.
I hope this helped clear up some questions.
Also as some of you know over the time I was with The Virtual Casino, I posted on every forum that I could or would let me , that if there was ANY player who was ever not paid by TVC that they just needed to contact me and I would get it taken care of. Less than 10 people came forward, from 7 years of service, and each case was talken care of. I even offered any forum owner or moderater 100.00 for any player they sent to me , needless to say I never had to pay the 100.00 referal. So for those of you who say TVC need to clean up there past, I think that they had done so, before they every went forward.
Thanks

[joeyl]

Thatch.. I have asked no questions that I can recall.

I have offered opinion on the matter in hand. Dialogue is therefore clearly possible.

[joeyl]

Phyngster.

10 players you say. 90% of players don't know the boards are here. That averages 90 players out there stiffed. Thats 90 too many.

How many players did Virtual etc contact personally who had played and lost at more than 1 of the clones with a bonus, to offer back the deposit(s)? 0 Afterall, if they won they were stopped.

Anyway, You see, the terms stated Virtual group will not pay if more than 1 accoiunt across the Virtual Group is opened.

Unbeknownst to likely 1000's of players who eventually won, were refused payment on the clone terms, and then accepted they are not due because the terms stated so, who did not come forward 3-4 years later when you put posts up at forums.


This adds up to Virtual owe bigtime and I know it, that is all I need to know.

Cheers.. Joeyl.

[DamianDunlap]

playunited have clones. Do you hear anything negative about them. No
I have not heard anything negative about virtural not paying someone in the last two years.

Alot of people know about google and they can type to find help

[VirtualDanny]

Wow is all I can say on this..........


lanidar2003 Quote
I'm sure Vdanny know of the opinions of the GREAT majority of the players.
You know what he's going to do with the opinions?
NOTHING...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

You can't change a LEPOARDS spots!

Quote
Why would I want to bother with a manager when I've already dealt with the boss.

Quote
IF
there have been problems in the past?
I KNOW that we ALL know that there ARE problems from the past and there will continue to be problems in the future.
I think that answers the question regarding the NEW manager issue

Quote
I will say this...
No matter WHO the manager may be
NOTHING
is or will ever change.


Danny’s Response
Is that why players seek ME out for conversation, for intimate and delicate talks, to say hello, to ask me where’s today’s email I want today’s email from you, To send me hundreds of congratulations when they found out I became the Manger?
Because I know their opinions and do nothing about them?
They know their opinion matters and I do things about them
They BOTHER with me, because they already DEALT with me
And will continue to BOTHER with me and DEAL with me


lanidar2003, You don’t know me. Where as you may speak your mind of something you do know, choose your words carefully when you speak about me. Opinions are one thing, I understand them, I welcome them, but as far as a statement about me goes? That’s different. You have to be on the mark when you make a statement about me. Because I wont allow anyone to drag my name down. I may get caught up in situations some times and make the wrong decisions sometimes that make things look bad for me and make people look at me differently, but I know where I stand in my life. I know what honor is all about, what it takes to show dignity and respect for yourself and others. I will not give you the right to now start judging me and my work when you don’t even know me. When you don’t even know my work, and don’t even know all the great many things I did for my players that are NOT said for others to hear. Things that made those players cry with appreciation. Don’t judge my abilities when you don’t even know of the changes and the fact we have not had ANY problems in 2 years on the very subjects being harped on. You don’t know me. You want to state your “opinions” of me, go right ahead. But don’t make statements you know nothing about. This doesn’t sit well with me at all, and it doesn’t sit well with the GREAT MANY PLAYERS That know me

I too will not go back and forth. I would rather much walk away then continue on a subject that is getting no where, I have better things to do then to sit here and go back and forth on a subject going nowhere. I will move forward in my life as always with everything I do along with others to newer and brighter things, with anticipation while others shall be left behind.




joeyl Quotes
Thatchatch. Caruso is Caruso, he thinks you should have asked certain pertinent questions. I see you now actually asked those questions but surprise surprise, Danny dodged those questions with illness and poota problems. Of course he should answer in work time, this is work related.

Joeyl is Joeyl and thinks the upper eschelons of Virtual etc are rogue and no paid staff can change that fact, VDanny's hands are tied.

So now you know.




I came here on my own choice Joeyl
I came here before even knowing I was named the Manager
I came here because I wanted to educate myself more on something I know nothing about
I will answer questions on my time…
Not my terms, but my time

It was said by me I will answer any questions put forth by Thatchatch (and others)
ANY and all, and I did
If there was a question I wasn’t too sure of, I stated that in my answer
Some times you can look at things differently then they are or then they were said.
I like to be specific. I don’t know about you, but I like to be specific.
And if I know exactly what was meant,
I would answer questions direct and forward and not like a politician

In order for me to do this, you need to be specific with me
The only questions I told him I would not answer were Just none on my Family
nor any “obvious” casino questions that are deemed inappropriate
We all know what I mean by that don’t we?

I do not have to explain to you why I was unable to answer questions quickly or why I had poota problems, whatever that means.
Nor do I have to come up with excuses to not answer questions, to avoid any fear
I’m not 21 anymore and know what it takes to grow

So, with all this said…
And I say this to everyone because I do not want to waste my time any longer,
if you're not here to grow with me on this interview,
if you’re only here to release those inner grudges,
venting in a way not even willing to listen to an answer,

Get out

Stop wasting time

Because from here on in I will avoid allowing you to take up my time and have players as well as myself, missing out on some things we DO need to know about each other


Danny

[joeyl]

You represent the Virtual casino group as far as I am concerned Virtual Danny.

If you want to clear your firms name, I suggest you stop saying the clone issue is dealt with, stop trying to say players won't be confused because of the download module similarities and the logos at the bottom of the casinos and start coming correct in all aspects, on every question.

I reserve my patience for players. Also for webmasters who attempt to help the player in any way, everything is duly noted that I see happen out here. Not managers of rogue casinos, so stop the emotional stuff and stop wasting time.


I just checked the terms of the virtual casinos.
Know what I am looking for in the terms
Could not find it clearly stated that one can have a certain amount of accouints at various casinos etc

[joeyl]

The Virtual Casino (http://www.thevirtualcasino.com/) homepage says >> Featured Casinos

With 10 different casinos to choose from, The Virtual Casino has a gaming site for every gambler’s appetite. From BlackJack to Vegas Strip Casino, to Win It Casino or Just Win Casino, you’ll find some of the best gaming on the internet!

Click any of the images below to start your gaming experience!


Danny, that is where you tell people the rules about group accounts. Nothing, no link, nothing.

The top link goes to winit promotions that does not state the group multiple account rules (http://www.winitcasino.com/rules_promo.php/) but does mention that a player taking a bonus they are not entitled to, loses out.

...and other gems in there I can't be bothered with right now.

[lanidar2003]

lanidar2003 Quote
I'm sure Vdanny know of the opinions of the GREAT majority of the players.
You know what he's going to do with the opinions?
NOTHING...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

You can't change a LEPOARDS spots!

Quote
Why would I want to bother with a manager when I've already dealt with the boss.

Quote
IF
there have been problems in the past?
I KNOW that we ALL know that there ARE problems from the past and there will continue to be problems in the future.
I think that answers the question regarding the NEW manager issue

Quote
I will say this...
No matter WHO the manager may be
NOTHING
is or will ever change.

Wow is all I can say on this..........

I am NOT attacking you personally.
I AM attacking Virtual.
AND ... what I said, once again is,

"I will say this...
No matter WHO the manager may be
NOTHING
is or will ever change."

Now why in the world would you think I'm attacking you personally?

[Mesuzecat]

You represent the Virtual casino group as far as I am concerned Virtual Danny.



I reserve my patience for players. Also for webmasters who attempt to help the player in any way, everything is duly noted that I see happen out here. Not managers of rogue casinos, so stop the emotional stuff and stop wasting time.


I just checked the terms of the virtual casinos.
Know what I am looking for in the terms
Could not find it clearly stated that one can have a certain amount of accouints at various casinos etc



Just my two cents here. I receive daily emails from Virtual and you could too if you signed up and played there. Every email closes with:


All Payouts NOW Handled by Danny



www.TheVirtualCasino.com
www.CrystalClubCasino.com
www.WinItCasino.com
www.VegasStripCasino.com
www.Spin2WinCasino.com

Open 1 Account in Each Today!!!

Seems pretty clear that you can have an account at each casino!

BTW, I have to add that Danny offers incredible bonuses EVERY DAY. No, I am not a Virtual shill, just a long time player who has great fun at the casino and has ALWAYS been paid in a timely manner. ;)

[VirtualDanny]

Hi caruso

What was it that you didn’t like about the other 5?
When you click on them it is very clear they belong to us
What confuses you on this?

Thanks
Danny

[VirtualDanny]

Hi DamianDunlap

Quote
Yes please explain the clones. If someone don't know if they a clone and take a bonus, would you claim they using more than one accounts.

So it will not be hard on your customers, state on the front page this is a clone and if someone download, send them a email to let them know.


Danny
It would depend on the player, their history, us knowing whether or not they did it to play or did it to get that particular coupon that you could only get for signing up. You see, players purposely down load again just to get that first time 444% up front sign up with 144% Cash Back, or the 150% Fully cashable, we have some great ones for first time players that a few players have already tried to get more then once. They do this in hopes we will not find out. So it would depend on the players past actions. We have had players that redeemed the wrong codes sometimes. Sometimes we would tell them ok, we have to take the bonus out, we will let you start over again on a code you are eligible for. Then sometimes we would just let it go




Quote
So it will not be hard on your customers, state on the front page this is a clone and if someone download, send them a email to let them know.

Danny
ok, You got it. Ill get a draft going right now as I read more of these post, and submit it for law tomorrow afternoon

[VirtualDanny]

Hello Sir

Quote
I myself thought the same thing, ok we are trying to give this a chance. So far I thought this to be open by VDanny. I must say that the clone or skins thing has me a bit confused, however I'm not a big online casino player. I'm mostly on the poker sites. But if there have been problems with this group in the past one must think...Is a new manager going to really change the casino owners tactics?
Just my thoughts


Danny
What is confusing to you about this clone thing?

Sir, managers are responsible to come in, and on their own without being told, make changes for the better, find weaknesses and make them stronger. It is not expected he or she would be having the owner looking over his or her shoulder to tell him or her what to do. It is the managers job to make the changes him or herself. Why then would we have managers be there? A manager is responsible to do what is deemed necessary to improve conditions take actions and then account for them. A manager is the one that takes care of the problems without the owner having anything to do with it. A owner shouldn’t be bothered with anything other then knowing he made the right choice in management. This is my definition of a manager. So yes Sir. Management is TO CHANGE things for the better

Danny

[VirtualDanny]

No, thank you. Thank you all for opening my eyes


Danny

[VirtualDanny]

Hi DamianDunlap

Quote
you have 10 clones that i see, if a person signs up to all of them take abonus will they be paid?

Danny
At the present time he or she can only have 1 account in those 5 we have discussed. If he does do what you say, I would have to take it account by account. Look at past history, past actions. Then take it form there. Surly I would not take their deposit and say, sorry you cant have that and then lock them out. I wouldnt do that. I would either give it back and lock them out of that account or tell them Ill save the deposit for another time and when he or she is ready Ill place it in the other account with a bonus.

Danny

[VirtualDanny]

Hello Sir

Quote
And in addition to that question, since all the clones to my understanding are linked together, do the fulfillment requirements have to be met on all 10 clones before the player will be paid?


Danny
No, not at all. We go account by account. Your finished in one, your finished, cash out

[VirtualDanny]

Very well said

My favorite color is Blue.
favorite # is 7

Im just an average kind of guy LOL

[VirtualDanny]

Hi Thatchatch

Thanks by the way for asking about me. Not too well. But hanging. Very uncomfortable at times

[Mesuzecat]

Wow is all I can say on this..........

I am NOT attacking you personally.
I AM attacking Virtual.
AND ... what I said, once again is,

"I will say this...
No matter WHO the manager may be
NOTHING
is or will ever change."

Now why in the world would you think I'm attacking you personally?

Gee Lanidar, if someone attacks the company I work for, especially if I was the manager of the company, I would take it personally. I think Danny is trying to clear up what we have told him are problems and I think he should be given the opportunity to do so.

[VirtualDanny]

Hi m2498a

Quote
So......the question is this. What happens to Player X?

At the present time, and past time, if Im not mistaken, we had no way of finding out a player has more then 1 account unless he or she does something to bring attention to himself or herself...for example, cashing out, asking a question in which we had to look in the account etc etc Unless of cause you have a separate dept of 100 workers on a daily basis checking all players and searching their all accounts. Which is impossible

I have however, now that you brought this up, come up with something. It should take affect within a week or so. I have a rough draft of what I was going to do, I just have to fine tune it. Its not going to be easy to do but it is something that I see needs to be done. I have already spoken with a member in the fraud dept about 3 weeks ago on my idea so as we have communication open and we are on the same page. When I do what I am about to do, it will identify players that have accounts that they shouldnt, then the process of contacting them will begin.

This will be good for the present player. As far as the future player goes. I just received an idea from DD that I will be taking another step further with and drafting for approval

on Player Y, why would I take his deposit and lock his account? I don’t see anything that he did wrong. Even if he did do something wrong, which I don’t see, I wouldn’t take his deposit and keep it. That’s not right, we DO NOT do that.

Unless your saying he created an account he should not have, at that point I would do a number of things. Tell him to start over in another account and close that one, or pay him in that account and let it go ( which we have done OVER AND OVER AND OVER again )
You have to understand, you guys have not played with us in a long time

We DO NOT take players money because they opened up additional accounts. We either give it back, make arrangements for them to play it in another, or as we have been doing, let it go and pay them

I keep telling you guys, this clone thing is not an issue, I say this because I KNOW THIS. This is not the problem anymore. We DO NOT take any players deposits and lock them out and throw them away

The main thing is the player taking the wrong bonus. That’s the main issue. Not this clone thing you guys keep speaking of.

and in the case of the wrong bonus being taken, we don’t take their deposit and lock the account in that situation either, we simply get them one they are to use and have them start over

My time is done tonight, gotta go

Danny

[lanidar2003]

Gee Lanidar, if someone attacks the company I work for, especially if I was the manager of the company, I would take it personally. I think Danny is trying to clear up what we have told him are problems and I think he should be given the opportunity to do so.

Gee Mesuzecat,
I think you should open your eyes before you step in all the bullshit.

[Mesuzecat]

Gee Mesuzecat,
I think you should open your eyes before you step in all the bullshit.

:confused:

[Thatchatch]

Lanidar,

Uncle (please allow me, as you’re my bro’s ‘Uncle’), now why would you give heck to a member that has had good experiences with Danny’s Casino/s?

Jesus, Mesuzecat simply had good experiences, had fun - and got paid! Surely you can accept a different opinion - in this case just simple facts! - than yours… I know that you can... and that’s why a while ago I stuck out my hand for you to shake, you reached out and did, and that was good. As far as dissuading you from ‘some’ of your own opinions, I’ve learned that’s an almost impossible task...

Danny’s willing to answer questions… Keeping in mind that he doesn’t have to do so, and that he didn’t come here to promote Virtual in the first place (!), I’d say let’s make this as productive and positive as we can. We won’t get answers if we’re not willing to listen to them. We owe him that much (listening to his answers to our questions) for all the time he’s already given us! I wouldn’t mind also hearing some more positives to balance out all the repetitive negativity.

I’m getting out of this for now, before I’m thought of as a shill myself…

Regards,

[SirWilliam58]

Hello Sir

Quote
And in addition to that question, since all the clones to my understanding are linked together, do the fulfillment requirements have to be met on all 10 clones before the player will be paid?


Danny
No, not at all. We go account by account. Your finished in one, your finished, cash out



Thanks for the reply Danny, and please don't think I was attacking you personally or as a manager, on my comment I made in an earlier post about you being able to really change the owners tactics, I would like to say this: I have been a manager and a supervisor in different jobs, and usually when the owners or upper management has a certain way of doing things it is hard to get things changed for the better. Especially when it has to do with the people. I have lost manager positions by standing up for my people and so you must understand where I'm comming from as well. I don't know how the casino's (online or land based ) work the management system but I do know how so others work. This is what I had based my comment on, not to offend you, you have been very kind and in my opinion very patient with this whole ordeal. It's really hard taking hard criticizms in your position, when you have a past that you had nothing to do with hanging over your head, been there done that. As a person and a manager my hats off to you sir.
William

[VirtualDanny]

QUOTE
Originally Posted by Joeyl
If you want to clear your firms name, I suggest you stop saying the clone issue is dealt with, stop trying to say players won't be confused because of the download module similarities and the logos at the bottom of the casinos and start coming correct in all aspects, on every question.

I reserve my patience for players. Also for webmasters who attempt to help the player in any way, everything is duly noted that I see happen out here. Not managers of rogue casinos, so stop the emotional stuff and stop wasting time.


Danny
stop the emotional stuff and stop wasting time?
Your kidding me right?
YOUR telling me to stop getting emotional and stop wasting time?
come on guy, really...have you even read your post?

Its NOW obvious to me you really DO NOT know anything,
and that your not faking it.

Because if I understand you correctly,
you have already called my casino rogue, yes?
and now you say anything I do IS NOT duly noted, yes?
QUOTE
everything is duly noted that I see happen out here. Not managers of rogue casinos

SO,
No matter what I do, it doesn’t matter because it isn’t looked at by you anyway
SO
If that’s the case, Then you really don’t know what the hell is going on with me and what I do in this casino, DO YOU?????

Because like you said, nothing I do is duly noted.
So if its not duly noted then you don’t know what’s going on now, DO YOU???
Don’t know any changes made
Don’t know how players are treated
Don’t know Don’t know Don’t know

So tell me, Who are you to judge?
You don’t even know what’s going on
And if you don’t know what’s going on,
you don’t know what your talking about then, DO YOU???
Wouldn’t you agree on that common sense?


WHAT DO I HAVE TO SAY TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU?
USE FONTS?
Cause some do think by using FONTS they get their words across clearer
LOL

I’m not here to clear anyone’s name, I DONT HAVE TO
and at this point I don’t care what you think anymore GOT IT!!!
I will no longer allow you nor others to take this opportunity we have here with this interview and turn it into a 3 person circus

tell me something, do you not care what people think of you?
Do you not care about what is said behind your back
after what people hear what comes out of your mouth?
Never mind, don’t even answer that. I don’t care!!!

Joeyl Step off, from here on in you will be talking to yourself
Because this guy certainly wont be listening
Your time here is done

[VirtualDanny]

You are attacking me personally because Iam the manager

Quote
I will say this...
No matter WHO the manager may be
NOTHING
is or will ever change.

Your saying I cant change anything. Your saying nothing has changed. This is not so Sir

Sir, you have not been with me for the 3 years I’ve been there
You know nothing about what I can do, what I have done, and what I have in the works

I understand your frustration sir, but you must remain open minded to the fact that change does occur. In all forms.

Not that Im here to convince you of any change
Im not here for that
My reason for doing this interview was to allow myself to grow
Allow myself to better serve
Im here for the player

Now, you can either help me in this matter with any comments or suggestions you might have, to help me better understand and assist the players needs, or you can continue down your path. That’s up to you

Sir, It sounds like you have a bit of knowledge in this field. If you want to help all of us grow together, I can see the benefits coming from it

[VirtualDanny]

QUOTE
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Danny, that is where you tell people the rules about group accounts. Nothing, no link, nothing.

Danny
Just so you wont take any credit for this
That is in the works to be changed

BEFORE you did this post


Many things are.....

[VirtualDanny]

Thank you for that. Now THIS is what its all about for me. A simple "Hey Danny, I notice you, you make a difference with me, thanks and keep it up"

This is what makes it all worth it

I would have said this before that each of my promos come with up to date info but I was so sure "SOMEONE" would have found something about it to punch wholes in it.

Thanks for noticing Mesuzecat


NOTE
This is a long time Family Member of the Casino
Daily Player - No Free Chipper
and a hell of a decent person that got nothing from me to come here and post
she happens to be a member here already BEFORE me

Show the proper respect for her and don’t start saying stupid things because she decided to stand up for what she believes in

[VirtualDanny]

Hi Thatchatch

whats a shill????



Quote
I’m getting out of this for now, before I’m thought of as a shill myself…

[VirtualDanny]

Hello Sir

I never thought you were attacking me. It never entered my mind

as far as taking criticisms, I feel I’m only taking it from 2 people here, 1 that has his own motives for doing it and the other that I hope will give me some insight he holds in this field.

I really do think lanidar2003 holds a great deal of knowledge that he should share with me to allow me to grow and better serve the player. Once we get past a few things.

You have the responsibility to stand, if you have the ability to do so lanidar2003
This has always been my belief

No joeyl
That doesn’t give you a green light….
I’m talking about saying and doing things responsibly

[Mesuzecat]

I’m getting out of this for now, before I’m thought of as a shill myself…

Regards,

:p Thanks for sticking up for me guys. If you knew me better you would know it is not necessary AND very appreciated!

So what do I need to do to prove I AM NOT A SHILL FOR VIRTUAL CASINO? Should I even try? Is it necessary? What if I just say that I was forced to retire from a very rewarding legal career of 26 years because I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. I have a lot of time on my hands and gambling fills the hours. Can you relate?

[DamianDunlap]

Mesuzecat, most of us know u not a shill. Danny on here , same like Ted tried to connect with people to see what could be done for a change to turn the ship around. I dont play to much any more due to lack of time. But i have always to gotten paid. I would be upset if people called me a crook every other day and they dont know me. I dont think known of us know danny to say he is a crook. I dont see a lot of complaints being spoken about them. Just the same o crap that happen when moses walk the earth

[lanidar2003]

VirtualDanny: You are attacking me personally because Iam the manager.

Quote
I will say this...
No matter WHO the manager may be
NOTHING
is or will ever change.

No matter who the manager was in the past, nothing has changed for the BETTER!
NOW, in my opinion, from my knowledge regarding Virtual...nothing is GOING to change in the future.

Your saying I cant change anything. Your saying nothing has changed. This is not so Sir

You are correct!
Virtual's spaming emails have changed with larger more confusing bonuses and even more confusing wagering requirements.

Sir, you have not been with me for the 3 years I’ve been there
You know nothing about what I can do, what I have done, and what I have in the works

Once again...you are correct!
What have you done in the past.
Were you involved in deleting my website... Insomniacs Lounge?
You were there at the time so, how were you involved, Sir!
And what new scheme do you have in store for the players.

I understand your frustration sir, but you must remain open minded to the fact that change does occur. In all forms.

Once again... "In all forms" ... you are correct...and I will be careful.
Thank you for the heads up.

Not that Im here to convince you of any change
Im not here for that
My reason for doing this interview was to allow myself to grow
Allow myself to better serve
Im here for the player

Yes...you are here for the player.
I can see how you are attempting to smooth over Virtual's bad reputation.
Smart players will see through this meager attempt and not fall for this nonsense.

Now, you can either help me in this matter with any comments or suggestions you might have, to help me better understand and assist the players needs, or you can continue down your path. That’s up to you

Comments?
I have plenty of comments.
In the past I have made MANY posts regarding Virtual's rogue reputation. Anyone here who knows me, knows what many, many comments I have made in the past.
Too many to list... I don't think that OPU's server could hold them all.

Suggestions... have plenty of those also.
Just for one...look at the bonuses you offer and the WR's that are attached.
How many times have you been told to simplify them?
How many!

Sir, It sounds like you have a bit of knowledge in this field. If you want to help all of us grow together, I can see the benefits coming from it

Sorry Danny, I do not wish to associate with your group.
AND ...I surely do NOT want to help you grow.

I can NEVER forgive Virtual for causing me and Jinnia the hurt that Virtual did by erasing Insomniacs Lounge.

Virtual and I will ALWAYS be at odds and there will NEVER be any form of peace between us!

Also, in the few posts that I have made in this thread I have tried very hard not to attack you.
But, as we can all see...I have now made my comments directly at both you and Virtual.
So, you may now consider it personal.

[Thatchatch]

Danny,

A shill in a land based casino is a casino employee that usually plays at a table game, with loaned chips, per example in the slow hours of the morning, in order to keep the game going so to attract real players at that table.

On boards it could be this poster out of nowhere (1 or 2 Post count) that all of sudden, passing himself off as a player makes a post boosting some casino (often an ‘obscure’ one) in order to attract players there with a made up success story. The shill is usually a casino employee, perhaps the manager of a small casino himself (?!), inevitably disappears upon being exposed!

Find here a recycled parody of mine of an online shill, just beware of dubious humor:

http://www.onlineplayersunion.com/forum/showthread.php?p=48142#post48142

Regards,

[Cixic]

We should give VirtualDanny a chance. Lets monitor him for 2 months and see if any complaints come out of this. A Lot of you should learn to forgive and not show so much hostility toward a manager that comes on to answer question. Shame on you

[joeyl]

So, with all this said…
And I say this to everyone because I do not want to waste my time any longer,
if you're not here to grow with me on this interview,
if you’re only here to release those inner grudges,
venting in a way not even willing to listen to an answer,

Get out

Stop wasting time

Because from here on in I will avoid allowing you to take up my time and have players as well as myself, missing out on some things we DO need to know about each other
Danny
I reserve my patience for players. Also for webmasters who attempt to help the player in any way, everything is duly noted that I see happen out here. Not managers of rogue casinos, so stop the emotional stuff and stop wasting time.The reply means I do not have patience for managers of rogue casinos and do have patience for players and webmasters that make an effort. A direct reply to your "stop wasting time" nonsense.

You are wasting time by denying you are here as a Virtual employee.

Duly Noted >> Glad to hear you will be changing the wording to reflect your terms correctly. Basic stuff though, should not need to be mentioned here and should be done already, not when Virtual get round to it in yonderyear.

[Thatchatch]

Dear Sir,

While I thank you for your post, as the words are certainly worthy for their assumed intent, I would advise you to seriously reconsider your avatar, as it will surely be offensive to some, unless some sense of humor is meant! It will be put to the attention of management! It will be up to them to decide to humor you with it or not.

Truly,

[Mesuzecat]

Lanidar, I think we got it!.............."I can NEVER forgive Virtual for causing me and Jinnia the hurt that Virtual did by erasing Insomniacs Lounge. Virtual and I will ALWAYS be at odds and there will NEVER be any form of peace between us!"

I have been following this fiasco ever since you first posted about it at Bryan's forum. I think you are very lucky to have someone to blame. I wish I had someone/thing to blame for my health problems, it would be much easier to cope. All I can say is I have to deal with it. Why should I ruin the rest of my life by dwelling on events of the past that I cannot control? Should I post on the boards that women should stop having babies because they may be born defective? Who would listen and who would stop?

You have made your feelings abundantly clear. Now you are teetering on becoming the "Marcolino" of The Virtual Casino Group!

Please stop.

[joeyl]

Virtual casino history, Virtual tomorrow.

Everything else is fluff.

Look, the place is full of holes. I go to the virtual, press disputes, see banner saying meister will "mediate" ~ click Meister banner, Meister page says for RTG, go to Montana.

Minimum = unprofessional.
& Possibly = clueless.
Probable = wanton misrepresentation of the facts as they stand.

Of course, the Virtual casino manager is not here for the likes of the above.

So, maybe if you like to Mezumacat, you can can explain away the above as acceptable practise for a public entity. If not, I would support you if you so desire to give Danny a piece of your mind as a possible consumer.

[lanidar2003]

Lanidar, I think we got it!.............."I can NEVER forgive Virtual for causing me and Jinnia the hurt that Virtual did by erasing Insomniacs Lounge. Virtual and I will ALWAYS be at odds and there will NEVER be any form of peace between us!"

I have been following this fiasco ever since you first posted about it at Bryan's forum. I think you are very lucky to have someone to blame. I wish I had someone/thing to blame for my health problems, it would be much easier to cope. All I can say is I have to deal with it. Why should I ruin the rest of my life by dwelling on events of the past that I cannot control? Should I post on the boards that women should stop having babies because they may be born defective? Who would listen and who would stop?

You have made your feelings abundantly clear. Now you are teetering on becoming the "Marcolino" of The Virtual Casino Group!

Please stop.

I'm truly sorry to hear that you have problems with your health.
In a situation as you are, there is no one to blame.
It just happens.
Hopefully a cure for a health problem can be found and introduced to the awaiting public.

I have a 23 year old daughter that has Juvenile Diabetes since before her second birthday.
She has and always will be insulin dependent.
I cursed, screamed, punched walls and cried when I found out of my baby's disease.
I blamed myself...I blamed God.
Again...there is no one to blame.

But, all this has nothing to do with the act that was INTENTIONALLY perpetrated by these rouges.
I understand that I have made my feelings abundantly clear and at the risk of being continuously repetitious, I will continue to be vocal.
I shall NOT stop.

Also, who is "Marcolino" ?

[Mesuzecat]

Also, who is "Marcolino" ?

Lanidar,

You HAVE walked in my shoes. I am very grateful you posted the above message.

Perhaps comparing your comments to Marcolino's comments was a tidy strong. If you search over at Casinomeister, you will find that Marcolino is a banned user for continually bashing Connecto Casino (yeah, I play there too and have always been paid).

BTW, has anyone gotten any info on "Cixic?" Thatch, I truly hope you are wrong .

[DamianDunlap]

why would cixic post here? and use that avatar here. He a bold man/female. It might just be him, he has the same one at ecc.

[Thatchatch]

Good morning Mesuzecat and Damian,

Damian, as far as Cixic’s post, it was a matter of either deleting his post or not, I left it hanging because of the wording, otherwise he was done for with that insulting piece of crap avatar, and yes it’s the identical avatar 'used' - he’s in your hands now…

Mesuzecat, please expect my reply back to your last PM later, to avoid misunderstanding your question.

Regards,

[bartongrl1]

What is the best way to get hold of you? And what time is best? thank you

[lanidar2003]

What is the best way to get hold of you? And what time is best? thank you

Who are you asking? :confused:

[bartongrl1]

I was talking to danny which is how my post was titled. but thanks for asking. lol

[lanidar2003]

I was talking to danny which is how my post was titled. but thanks for asking. lol

Sorry :D

Just once in a very long while ... my mind starts to slip ;)

[SirWilliam58]

I don't appreciate being called an idiot by this person called cixic. First of all you have a lot of gall posting an avatar like that here, IMHO you should go crawl back under the rock from which you came. Second of all, you apparently have the brain of a baby piss ant. So don't go away mad just plain go away and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. :mad:

[Mesuzecat]

I don't appreciate being called an idiot by this person called cixic. First of all you have a lot of gall posting an avatar like that here, IMHO you should go crawl back under the rock from which you came. Second of all, you apparently have the brain of a baby piss ant. So don't go away mad just plain go away and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. :mad:


William: Isn't that an insult to the baby piss ant?

[SirWilliam58]

Yes , I'm sorry...baby piss ant :)

[VirtualDanny]

Just wanted to let you know Im on line but not available for another 45 minutes. I forgot about the time difference. I said I would be here at Midnight to 2am EST. I gace the wrong times. Ill be right on

Danny

[VirtualDanny]

OK Im On Line for a little while

[VirtualDanny]

Hi Mesuzecat

Sometimes one has to prove him or herself to others
Sometimes one does not
You do not

[VirtualDanny]

Hi DamianDunlap

I dont think none of us know danny to say he is a crook. I dont see a lot of complaints being spoken about them. Just the same o crap that happen when moses walk the earth
__________________


Danny
Move over People - Im about to clear the path

[VirtualDanny]

Stop using this interview as an excuse to bash Virtual
YOUR time is now done

TWO Down
TWO Out

ONE to go

Next??

[VirtualDanny]

Hi Thatchatch

That’s what I thought but was confused when it was said here cause I thought it was incorrect. I assumed you guys had another term.

Anyway, in the famous words of President Bartlet - What’s Next?

[VirtualDanny]

Hi Cixic

Quote
We should give VirtualDanny a chance. Lets monitor him for 2 months and see if any complaints come out of this. A Lot of you should learn to forgive and not show so much hostility toward a manager that comes on to answer question. Shame on you

Danny
Thanks that was kind of you. But I think you guys are allowing others to get us off page. I’m not here to prove anything. I’m here asking if you guys have any suggestions that would better serve the on line forum player.

Don’t allow those 3 to take this interview and point it in the wrong direction.

I’m not here to say Hey, we changed come on in.

I’m not asking anyone to give me a chance at anything, But that’s the way this interview is starting to look,

I’m simple here because I want to get to know the on line forum player so I can better serve them.

I have not had them in my mind for 3 years. Until I came to know the EZBoard forum.

Its about time you guys get some recognition and I’m here to ask what can I do for you?

Not for you to think I’m here asking for another chance. I don’t need another chance, I’m doing fine all on my own. I just want to get to know you guys more, seeing how my views of the on line forum players has changed,

This is what I’m trying to get across to everyone,
but the 3 musketeers want you to believe otherwise

[VirtualDanny]

Hi bartongrl1

Quote
What is the best way to get hold of you? And what time is best? thank you




Danny
Do you mean for this interview? Is that what you mean?
I will try to be here 2am to 4am EST every night if I can, but some nights I will be busy doing certain projects

[VirtualDanny]

Hi Guys

When I say What’s Next, in the famous words of President Bartlet, I mean the same as he does.

It means I’m ready to move on to something else.

It means I’m done with the subject and that person in which I posted What’s Next in

I’m here Right Now to get to know the On Line Forum Player and better serve you


is ANYONE interested?

[Mesuzecat]

Glad you are back. I am however still waiting for Robert Redford to come over. :p

[joeyl]

I see here a farce. The 2 moderators and the casino manager joined in harmony, ignoring every pertinent question while actually trying to tell the naysayers what to say, what to post, what to think.

Simple as that.

This is the OPU lest we forget.

[lanidar2003]

Stop using this interview as an excuse to bash Virtual
YOUR time is now done

TWO Down
TWO Out

ONE to go

Next??

If and only "IF" Damian or m249a ask me to stop, I will stop.
What do YOU say Damian, m249a?

I don't know where you get that TWO down, TWO out nonsense because the way I see it we're somewhere early middle innings and I'm leading ... MARKEDLY.

NEXT?

[Cixic]

I wish raceman would post. He knows a lot about this virtural casino.

[SirWilliam58]

I wish raceman would post. He knows a lot about this virtural casino.



WISH YOU WOULD JUST GO AWAY !!!

[BiaacthSlapper]

Danny definitely should be given a chance. He's a decent, thoughtful and reasonable guy. Personally I believe that Virtual has finally gotten it right and put somebody good in charge. Ted was also good for Virtual but he has moved on. He made a difference and now it's Danny's turn no matter how you would like to bring him down. I really don't see him as taking your rude words and attempt at putting him down as anything of any substance, even less having any credibility.

It's understandable that a lot of people are going to be upset when they have been burned in the past. Virtual Casino has had some real scumbags running the show in the past, and they did damage their reputation.

However, I've dealt with Danny for awhile now and I truly believe putting him in charge was the best move they ever made... and that he will clean up their act. The people who ruined Virtual Casino's reputation did so for their own personal gain at the expense of the reputation of the company itself... *AND* the ownership. Ownership is determined to finally get things right. They finally have the right guy running the show. In time, I think Danny will prove this is truly the case.

I would bet on it

Thanks You Been Slapped

[Thatchatch]

Hi everyone,

BiaacthSlapper:

Seeing post count… welcome to the OPU! Thanks for contributing, and if you want a Union Number that would make you eligible to win our free lotteries, for one thing, please PM any moderator on the site for one.

Cixic:

What’s the pronunciation of that ‘nick’ of yours? Is it ‘sick-sick’? I stand with my co-members as far as not wanting to insult baby piss ants unfairly…

Your avatar is an insult to all of us here! I'll echo what my co-mod, SirWilliam said: I wish that you should go away too!

Again please consider changing it before patience runs out and you’re escorted to the door… and that would be the back door, there’s no lights in our back yard, and it’s full of rakes – you wouldn’t want to step at the wrong place and have a rake handle going ‘bonk’ on your noggin, now would you? :D

Truly yours,

[VirtualDanny]

This interview seems to be going in the wrong direction.

Most certainly not by Thatchatch or m249a, but by the fact that these 2 free loaders have taken advantage of me being here just to bash Virtual.

I was here to get to know the forum player better so as I may keep them in mind over at The Virtual.

I used to have a one sided opinion of the on line forum player, until recently thanks to The Grand Gamblers Station EZ Board that made me feel comfortable enough to seek more info on the on line forum player. I never had you guys in mind before and thought it was time for us to open up some dialog, get your comments or suggestions and at the same time begin giving you more recognition from myself over at Virtual

Comments and Suggestions taken seriously and implemented
Better Service
Special Promos
Tournaments
Free Chips
I just wanted to do a whole bunch of things for the on line forum player

But it doesn’t make sense for me to continue here if these idiots such as Mr. Font and his trusty side kick Billy Joel continue in the behavior that they have chosen. They are taking the interview in the wrong direction and I just WILL NOT waste my time.

Please understand I’m doing this on my own time for at least 2 hrs a night after working 10hrs a day

My God, those two guys sound like little freaking children.

Its not a question of if I can handle their adolescent heat. It’s a statement of I’m not here to take heat.
If I wanted to, I would have shown them my back hand of New York. But I wasn’t here for that. I was here to get your comments and suggestions so as I may now keep the on line forum player in mind in everything I do.

I left the other board because the idiots over there wanted to take advantage of the fact that I was there, and begin to bash Virtual. I’m not here to be anyone’s punching bag and give anyone an excuse to start bashing Virtual. If this is how it is on forums, because this is now the second time I’m experiencing this, at my second attempt, I want nothing to do with forums. But, maybe these 2 guys are just groupies? Looking to follow me around? Could that be the case? Same guys form the other board? That’s kind of scary

Anyway, when you guys want a serious Manager to seriously keep the on line forum player in mind, and start taking their suggestions and comments that benefit THEM not the casino, you know how to contact me.

I have already taken a good suggestion from DamianDunlap

You sir Thatchatch and m249a and others here have been very kind to me, but you have to understand, I cant keep wasting my time. I do this for 2 hrs a night after working for 10. I will no longer allow those two idiots to get a free ride on me. This is what they are getting, a free ride here to bash Virtual, something that these two twisted little children live for. The focus shifted to them and what they wanted to talk about. Not what the interview should have been about

Sincerely yours,
Danny




Do not hold back the man that wishes to advance for more education, for more experience, for a better way to seek out what might just be a better way
Do not hold back those wishing to believe change can be good.
Accept them for wanting to improve themselves and others around them,
and be open to it.

And so shall people evolve
For it is the destiny of the world to be better

[Mesuzecat]

It seems a total shame to end your participation here because of a couple of immature bullies with too much time on their hands. If you leave, they will have accomplished what they have been working for and that is NOT FAIR to you or the OPU and its members.

Can I make a suggestion?

What if we all just IGNORE them, their BS, their posts, and just continue running the forum the way the MAJORITY of the members want? To do otherwise would be like "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" when you find a cockroach in the tub!

[joeyl]

The virtual casino manager's insults do not change the past 8 years plus of being a rogue casino group. Quite the opposite.

The Virtual Player Disputes Page (http://www.thevirtualcasino.com/complaints.shtml) is still incorrect.

Still no clear for all to see explanation on the casino websites that one cannot open an account at 6 of the eleven casinos, nor what the terms are related to such.

Still no word on how many players over 8 years who played a wrong bonus and lost at the 300+ unmarked clones, were returned their deposit. Just a 1 way street of denying winners, who are not telekenetic and did'nt know the unwritten rules.

[lanidar2003]

Quote:
VirtualDanny:
But it doesn’t make sense for me to continue here if these idiots such as Mr. Font and his trusty side kick Billy Joel continue in the behavior that they have chosen. They are taking the interview in the wrong direction and I just WILL NOT waste my time.

Please understand I’m doing this on my own time for at least 2 hrs a night after working 10hrs a day

My God, those two guys sound like little freaking children.

Its not a question of if I can handle their adolescent heat. It’s a statement of I’m not here to take heat.
If I wanted to, I would have shown them my back hand of New York. But I wasn’t here for that.



I believe you are referring to me as one of the idiots.... namely Mr. Font.
You are welcome to call names.
It only shows how immature you really are and how idiotic Virtual is for choosing a person such as yourself to man the helm.

Now, you mention the statement "If I wanted to, I would have shown them my back hand of New York".
This is a physical threat and I personally don't believe that Damian or Mark should allow threats in their forum.
I would be EXTREMELY disappointed if neither one of them does NOT censure you for that.
I DO expect Damian and/or Mark to have you apologize publicly for threatening an OPU member whether this member be me or ANY one else.

Also, about New York. I'm twice your age and I was born and bred in Brooklyn.
Gravesend is the precise area.
Gravesend is a very tightly knit Italian area.
If you didn't live there...you didn't belong there.
Some punk kid "pointing his finger at me in the form of a gun and shooting me" is for little girls.
And "getting his head hit with a bat" is just a routine warning at Gravesend.
People disappear from this area and surrounding areas on a regular basis.
That's a little more intense than a "make believe gun" and "make believe bullet".

So that "back hand" doesn't frighten me.
It's childish and poorly thought out.

Damian ... Mark, again I want a public apology from him.
Please take care of it

[joeyl]

slap them with "the back hand of my New York" to me is to curse, or possibly confuse one with their immense vocabulary, with a New York lilt (gregarious).

Danny has already done both lol.

Also we have such wit. Font man and Billy Joel is very funny Font Man Lan

That is your new nick. :)

[lanidar2003]

slap them with "the back hand of my New York" to me is to curse, or possibly confuse one with their immense vocabulary, with a New York lilt (gregarious).

Danny has already done both lol.

Also we have such wit. Font man and Billy Joel is very funny Font Man Lan.

That is your new nick. :)

It sure seems that way, my trusty side kick. :D

[bartongrl1]

Im depositing there soon, and if i win ill do a screenshot.

[SlotChik]

WISH YOU WOULD JUST GO AWAY !!!
Its ok SirWilliam, let "IT" stay....

it's about time "IT" posted instead of hiding at ECC.

[SlotChik]

LOL yes, and we want an apology for what all the idiots at ECC are trying to due to ruin us.....
we'll never get it Uncle , and I doubt you will either~~~


I believe you are referring to me as one of the idiots.... namely Mr. Font.
You are welcome to call names.
It only shows how immature you really are and how idiotic Virtual is for choosing a person such as yourself to man the helm.

Now, you mention the statement "If I wanted to, I would have shown them my back hand of New York".
This is a physical threat and I personally don't believe that Damian or Mark should allow threats in their forum.
I would be EXTREMELY disappointed if neither one of them does NOT censure you for that.
I DO expect Damian and/or Mark to have you apologize publicly for threatening an OPU member whether this member be me or ANY one else.

Also, about New York. I'm twice your age and I was born and bred in Brooklyn.
Gravesend is the precise area.
Gravesend is a very tightly knit Italian area.
If you didn't live there...you didn't belong there.
Some punk kid "pointing his finger at me in the form of a gun and shooting me" is for little girls.
And "getting his head hit with a bat" is just a routine warning at Gravesend.
People disappear from this area and surrounding areas on a regular basis.
That's a little more intense than a "make believe gun" and "make believe bullet".

So that "back hand" doesn't frighten me.
It's childish and poorly thought out.

Damian ... Mark, again I want a public apology from him.
Please take care of it

[DamianDunlap]

I might have decided to back virtural with my own money. They dont pay. I will pay. What going to be said now.

[lanidar2003]

SlotChik:
LOL yes, and we want an apology for what all the idiots at ECC are trying to due to ruin us.....
we'll never get it Uncle , and I doubt you will either~~~

Slot, I am not involved with that at all.
Your reply has nothing to do with my post.
If you want an apology from ECC go and ask them for it.

And, I do agree with you regarding the apology from Danny for the threat of slapping me with the back of his hand.

AGAIN, I DO expect Damian or a Mark to intervene in this thread and grab the bull by the horns and NOT allow ANY member to physically threaten another.

DamianDunlap:
I might have decided to back virtural with my own money. They dont pay. I will pay. What going to be said now.

Damian, my friend... I commend you whole heartedly for the want you have to the help players.
No one has ever made an offer such as you have.
But, it still has nothing to do with the fact that Virtual deleted Insom and has screwed players for years and is continuing to do so with their confusing bonuses and wagering requirements.
It certainly is your purgative to pay the players if you wish.
It's your money and you do with it what you seem fit.
Paying the players does not change the fact that Virtual is a scumbag outfit and will remain a scumbag outfit.

Now, I know you read my post and you and I go way back before Virtual and Danny came into the picture.
As the owner of the OPU are you going to allow one member physically threaten another on your site?
Do the right thing, my friend, and take care of business as business should be taken care of.

[DamianDunlap]

uncle. I had one of my sites taken down, and i believe it was cirrus or prism. I dont think danny had nothing to do with it. He was not the head when your board got earse uncle.

Uncle why dont u move to php. I will pay for it. Get away from ezboard. U dont have to worry about getting hack. Come down to vegas and lets have dome drinks

[lanidar2003]

uncle. I had one of my sites taken down, and i believe it was cirrus or prism. I dont think danny had nothing to do with it. He was not the head when your board got earse uncle.

Uncle why dont u move to php. I will pay for it. Get away from ezboard. U dont have to worry about getting hack. Come down to vegas and lets have dome drinks

Damian...
I'm not saying that Danny personally had anything to do with it.
I said that he WAS there when it happened.
I do NOT blame him for it ... not at all.
I DO blame Virtual and will continue to blame Virtual.
Since Danny is NOW a manager at Virtual that does make him responsible for answering questions regarding the past and future of Virtual.

I'd LOVE to come to Vegas Damian.
But, do to some personal situations here I am unable to so.
Possibly in the future we can get together.
Actually, I'm looking forward to it.
Especially if your buying. ;) :D

Down to some serious talk.
You read my post.
I know that you would not take it lightly AT ALL if someone said that they would slap you.
Not only that, but it is in print in YOUR forum.
The bottom line is...are you going to permit that?

Once again, Damian....do the right thing here.

[joeyl]

I might have decided to back virtural with my own money. They dont pay. I will pay. What going to be said now.

One can only deduce you trust Virtual with your life.

[SlotChik]

Uncle?? do you know how many times I've been insulted and threatened?? God, if I had 10 hands...but I'm still here and I only have ONE life....of which I will enjoy...

I haven't heard anything bad about Virtual stiffing a player in a LONG time. I've heard of MANY other casinos doing so though...

You are friends right now with people who have threatened us....had the FBI come after us...the IRS....
they've sent emails to casinos who sponsor us....and you defend THEM...and you POST there right??
I don't WANT an apology from anyone...
I'm not perfect...far from it...but I doubt you'll get an apology here...
Just ignore them. There is a button on here to do so. I think I had to use it a few times LOL




Damian...
I'm not saying that Danny personally had anything to do with it.
I said that he WAS there when it happened.
I do NOT blame him for it ... not at all.
I DO blame Virtual and will continue to blame Virtual.
Since Danny is NOW a manager at Virtual that does make him responsible for answering questions regarding the past and future of Virtual.

I'd LOVE to come to Vegas Damian.
But, do to some personal situations here I am unable to so.
Possibly in the future we can get together.
Actually, I'm looking forward to it.
Especially if your buying. ;) :D

Down to some serious talk.
You read my post.
I know that you would not take it lightly AT ALL if someone said that they would slap you.
Not only that, but it is in print in YOUR forum.
The bottom line is...are you going to permit that?

Once again, Damian....do the right thing here.

[SlotChik]

One can only deduce you trust Virtual with your life.
Damian is for the player. If Virtual doesnt pay, HE will....
so be it...It's HIS money right?

[Thatchatch]

Hi everyone,

This is a side note: It’s to be interpreted any which way anyone wants to, and I don’t need to be more specific as It will be clear enough for any concerned parties.

If a respected member is harassed repeatedly by other posters, and can’t carry out what he came here for in the first place: that being a true exchange of views and dialog, getting both sides to know the other for the better, for the good of us all! Here’s one solution in the form of instructions as to how that member can avoid even seeing posts from people constantly harping at him, distorting any and all views.

When logged in, while in the main forum view, top bar, enter your User CP (control panel), at the bottom, under miscellaneous select buddies/ignore, and list the people you wish as buddies; or in this case select the posters you wish to ignore, the one-tracked negative minds that prevent true, open and honest dialog, conductive to further knowledge and sharing come to mind. This extreme measure may perhaps be after all the only one that will really work.

Sincerely,

[lanidar2003]

SlotChik:
You are friends right now with people who have threatened us....had the FBI come after us...the IRS....
they've sent emails to casinos who sponsor us....and you defend THEM...and you POST there right??

Slot...
Where do you see that I'm defending anyone.
And I made ONE post at ECC.
AND...that had NOTHING to do with the comment you made above.

I'm VERY good friends with Track.
And I'm VERY good friends with Jinnia... PLUS she's my partner.
I'm also good friends with Damian and Mark.

Three things:
1. Is there ANYWHERE....ANYWHERE that I have said ANYTHING at all bad about either Damian or Mark.
2. Since I've been torn in this battle between boards I have NEVER chosen a side nor have I made a post at MY forum, Insom, one way or the other.
3. Why in the world do I have to chose a side. Who says that I can't be friends with all four and maintain a relationship with all four and NOT get involved.

The issue here is that I WAS PHYSICALLY threatened.
You were not!

I demand an apology.
Damian and Mark, as owners MUST see to this or BAN the imposing threat!

Let's stick to this precise subject and take care of the problem.
Let's not waver off onto another subject.
If you want to get involved with the post you made...start a new thread.

[Mesuzecat]

I have been looking everywhere for the threat and just can't find it. What I did find was him saying "IF HE WANTED TO......BUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT."

Your harping on your MISINTERPRETATION of what was said makes me wonder what your motives are. And I can understand how you would cause someone to want to bitch-slap you. :eek:

[SlotChik]

Uncle,
what I'm tellling YOU is..I HAVE been physically threatened MANY times in the past...but I let it roll off my back...
The online world is cruel...you have to ignore things sometimes...
People DONT KNOW YOU personally unless they've met you...
Sticks and stones won't break my bones.....



Slot...
Where do you see that I'm defending anyone.
And I made ONE post at ECC.
AND...that had NOTHING to do with the comment you made above.

I'm VERY good friends with Track.
And I'm VERY good friends with Jinnia... PLUS she's my partner.
I'm also good friends with Damian and Mark.

Three things:
1. Is there ANYWHERE....ANYWHERE that I have said ANYTHING at all bad about either Damian or Mark.
2. Since I've been torn in this battle between boards I have NEVER chosen a side nor have I made a post at MY forum, Insom, one way or the other.
3. Why in the world do I have to chose a side. Who says that I can't be friends with all four and maintain a relationship with all four and NOT get involved.

The issue here is that I WAS PHYSICALLY threatened.
You were not!

I demand an apology.
Damian and Mark, as owners MUST see to this or BAN the imposing threat!

Let's stick to this precise subject and take care of the problem.
Let's not waver off onto another subject.
If you want to get involved with the post you made...start a new thread.

[m249a]

I fail to see the threat of physical violence. Unless it went right over my head, or I am not interpreting the slang used correctly, it would appear that (to me) it was not meant to be taken as a personal threat of violence.

[lanidar2003]

Mesuzecat:
I have been looking everywhere for the threat and just can't find it. What I did find was him saying "IF HE WANTED TO......BUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT."

Your harping on your MISINTERPRETATION of what was said makes me wonder what your motives are. And I can understand how you would cause someone to want to bitch-slap you.

Oh God...
Now Mesuzecat.
I 'm dealing with another brainless fool.


You know what?
Go and get raped by these scumbags at Virtual!

I'm spinning my wheels here and wasting my time.

I hope all of you that ENJOY getting screwed bring vasoline with you when you play at Virtual.

Damian...Mark...
I'm disappointed in you both for skirting the issue.
You know what it said and neither one of you would stand for it.

I tell you one thing...Track or Jinnia would have stood by my side and told this asshole to back off.

[SlotChik]

Uncle!! You just saw the post over on the other forum...with the cry baby.....Is that aimed AT you or ABOUT you?? I dont' get it...
Also, you just called someone BRAINLESS!!!! Is that calling the kettle black??
Why can't we all just act like adults....
It's a MESSAGE board....for pete's sake....let it roll off your back...and ignore it..
Or better yet, don't read anything....stay with your friends who will defend you.
Sticks and stones....Come on Uncle...you're a bigger man than that!! :)

Oh God...
Now Mesuzecat.
I 'm dealing with another brainless fool.


You know what?
Go and get raped by these scumbags at Virtual!

I'm spinning my wheels here and wasting my time.

I hope all of you that ENJOY getting screwed bring vasoline with you when you play at Virtual.

Damian...Mark...
I'm disappointed in you both for skirting the issue.
You know what it said and neither one of you would stand for it.

I tell you one thing...Track or Jinnia would have stood by my side and told this asshole to back off.

[lanidar2003]

SlotChik:
Uncle!! You just saw the post over on the other forum...with the cry baby.....Is that aimed AT you or ABOUT you?? I dont' get it...
Also, you just called someone BRAINLESS!!!! Is that calling the kettle black??
Why can't we all just act like adults....
It's a MESSAGE board....for pete's sake....let it roll off your back...and ignore it..
Or better yet, don't read anything....stay with your friends who will defend you.
Sticks and stones....Come on Uncle...you're a bigger man than that!!

Slot...
I have NEVER had a problem with you.
I guess it had to happen sooner or later.
I can see that you're taking offense with me calling Mesuzecat "A Brainless Fool".
And you are sticking up for your poster.
That's how it should be.

Also, I don't take it personally that you are associating me with Mesuzecat as "A Brainless Fool".
You say..."It's a MESSAGE board....for pete's sake....let it roll off your back...and ignore it.."
I WILL ignore this comment and let it roll off my back.

It looks as if I have to struggle on my own in this battle over here with Virtual and Danny.
Not a problem!

[DamianDunlap]

Uncle, I feel we like online family, even Jinnia.
This is a treat if track was my age. I would jack him up and i put that own my dead grand mother. Any man that goes all out to ruin someone over spelling and grammer and cause he cant stand the heat is a punk. I could say more. But i have to follow the union rules

Back to subject. Also, when ted was in power, he ask for evryone to come foward to get paid for pass miss deads. Maybe a few people didnt no. But it has been under new direction for a while.

I see cpa all on it. I have never seen him so angry in a while about a casino, he should ask the tough question to black widow, banks, and prism which he have on his site. He taken this stance agaist Danny, cause Danny has decided to post on the OPU.

Danny has took the suggestions and working on the issues, which mainly was the clones.
He step up for the players and to my understanding has been taken care of players for a long time.

If this thread keeps getting off topic. It will be closed.

[joeyl]

Hi everyone,

This is a side note: It’s to be interpreted any which way anyone wants to, and I don’t need to be more specific as It will be clear enough for any concerned parties.

If a respected member is harassed repeatedly by other posters, and can’t carry out what he came here for in the first place: that being a true exchange of views and dialog, getting both sides to know the other for the better, for the good of us all! Here’s one solution in the form of instructions as to how that member can avoid even seeing posts from people constantly harping at him, distorting any and all views.

When logged in, while in the main forum view, top bar, enter your User CP (control panel), at the bottom, under miscellaneous select buddies/ignore, and list the people you wish as buddies; or in this case select the posters you wish to ignore, the one-tracked negative minds that prevent true, open and honest dialog, conductive to further knowledge and sharing come to mind. This extreme measure may perhaps be after all the only one that will really work.

Sincerely,

Thatch.
# Harassment.
# True exchange of views and dialogue.
In other words unless I agree with you and it seems the OPU stance, that is harassment.
A true exchange of views and dialogue in your opinion is to tell me what to say, what to think and why.

Damian
I think it best Damian, if I leave you and your folk to this "true exchange of dialogue and views", OPU style.

Much prefer the design boss. Don't rate the mods very much. The notion of a "players union" got lost somewhere along the line. The OPU is not for me I am afraid.

Peace to you all except the rogues.

[lanidar2003]

DamianDunlap:
If this thread keeps getting off topic. It will be closed.

I think that's a very good idea...before it REALLY gets out of hand and people start saying things that they may not mean.

[m249a]

The notion of a "players union" got lost somewhere along the line. The OPU is not for me I am afraid.


Let's be very clear on this issue. The Union concept did not get "lost" anywhere.

We still advertise for reputable companies.

We still insure our members accounts with these companies.

We still are growing by leaps and bounds, and we still work hard every day to offer our members content that they find interesting and enjoy contributing to.

3 things this Union was founded upon.....3 things that have not, nor will they ever change.

There are certian people, like you for example, that will never be pleased with what we do.

We could strip all our banners, ban the members that say nasty things, and trash the people and companies you think need trashed.....and you STILL would find fault with us.

So again, and I think I arrdessed this issue with you almost a year ago in a debate at another forum.....we will NEVER be all things to all people. But we will ALWAYS stick to the foundation of the PLAYERS UNION concept.

Period.

Thank you for stopping by.

[SlotChik]

That IS true~~~

Black Widow and that group?? COME ON! They take months and months to pay...and they're worried about VIRTUAL??
show me a post in the past 6 months where Virtual hasn't paid...
Please...so we can look into that~~~
We don't WANT a bad casino on here. Once they stop paying our members, then it's a kick to the curb for them, TRUST ME~!!!!

Uncle, I have nothing against you and I like you..( respect you very much ) and you ARE entitled to your own opinion.

Everyone is....and we will protect our players even if they crap on us...but ~~~
we will NOT protect a rogue..until we deem them AS a rogue....

[joeyl]

Let's be very clear on this issue. The Union concept did not get "lost" anywhere.

We still advertise for reputable companies.

We still insure our members accounts with these companies.

We still are growing by leaps and bounds, and we still work hard every day to offer our members content that they find interesting and enjoy contributing to.

3 things this Union was founded upon.....3 things that have not, nor will they ever change.
No mention of a member being able to speak their mind on any given related issue.

I do believe Mark you have spoken out of turn there. However, i do agree that is the all pervading atmosphere in this thread nonetheless.

Damian did not set up this forum or the OPU concept, for the members to be hamstrung in what they can or cannot say by moderators (within reason), nor for mods to tell members what to think. Damian has had to live with that for too long. I for too long, have defended Damian's right to speak and post to be hamstrung just the same on Damian's website.

[m249a]

I did not tell you what to think, nor what to say. Not once!

I read something you wrote, and responded. I disagreed, i did not attack nor condescend you in any way. The very issue you are pointing to, is something that we are criticised for every single day....which is our desire to allow our members to speak their mind. But, you cannot say it is ok for a member to say their side, and then expect no one to respond. We have banned no one for saying what is on their mind, or expressing their opinion.....ever. But, we are allowed to defend our side of any said issue as well. Just like I did to you. And am doing right now.

As far as speaking out of turn, well.....bear in mind, Damian did not build this site all by himself. And I am free to speak in or out of any turn I see fit.

[joeyl]

I beg to differ.

Too many opu mods telling me to give Virtual a second chance. 1 calls it harassment when one states facts, with links to those facts.

What you are effectively doing Mark, is tell me how to post and what to say next. Doing so by the means of saying "There are certain people, like you for example, that will never be pleased with what we do.

We could strip all our banners, ban the members that say nasty things, and trash the people and companies you think need trashed.....and you STILL would find fault with us"

Which is just not so. You see, all there is left after you saying that is to agree with you or say nothing. Think about it.

Follow that with the harassment accusation, the slew of mods saying "give them a second chance or you are not worthy" and you have a railroad jobby.

## Members unforgiving of rogues would be part of a real opu. You guys fought too hard against one for me to feel at home here, so not for me I think. How come? I do not post when I have a winner in the bookies. I mostly post when I see a rogue.

When you said by email does Danny know what he has let himself in for, I came on over. It has been interesting.

ps, to speak out of turn, is to speak in error, to be mistaken in a conversation.

[lanidar2003]

That IS true~~~

Black Widow and that group?? COME ON! They take months and months to pay...and they're worried about VIRTUAL??
show me a post in the past 6 months where Virtual hasn't paid...
Please...so we can look into that~~~
We don't WANT a bad casino on here. Once they stop paying our members, then it's a kick to the curb for them, TRUST ME~!!!!

Uncle, I have nothing against you and I like you..( respect you very much ) and you ARE entitled to your own opinion.

Everyone is....and we will protect our players even if they crap on us...but ~~~
we will NOT protect a rogue..until we deem them AS a rogue....


Black Widow and Grand Banks has caused me a shit load of trouble in the past.
As far as I know, they aren't advertised by anyone that I know.
They're right up there with Virtual!
When I had issues with BW and GB (before Insom) I had a friend that knew someone at BW and had me put to the top of their list to be paid.
I stopped playing there after too many times of getting jerked around by them.
I DID jump all over these people as I do with Virtual.
BUT...remember that BW and GB did NOT DELETE MY FORUM.
And that's why I have such a strong vendetta against Virtual.


I DO understand that this is an update from 16 September 2025 from Casinomeister's board from a year ago.
The reason why the Virtual Casino Group are on his Under Observation list is because of Customer Service/marketing.
Bryan is the top of the line and if he see's fit to continue to have them Under Observation for a year without removal, then something must seriously be wrong.

Also, I posted at CM for a Virtual update from Byron.

To see MY UPDATE as of Sept 6, 2025 just click on the link:

http://p078.ezboard.com/finsomniacslounge27144frm83.showMessage?topicID=35 3.topic

Issues with Virtual Casinos:
The Virtual Casino group gained a reputation of being a casino group that had a lot of problems. Their management was highly disorganized, they relied heavily on questionable marketing tactics, most of their casinos were like loose cannons on a ship rolling around firing into their own hull. It seemed as though the managers were given free reign to take in as many players as possible, no matter how it was done.

They were placed in Casinomeister's Rogue section in November of 2002 for a number of violations of good casino practice. They seemed to be ethically challenged back then. But as time went by, they discontinued using unorthodox marketing techniques and they replaced a number of personnel that were managing their casinos. Complaints were few and far between, and they seemed to have finally seen the light: honest players need to be paid their winnings expediently - customer service needs to be effective and quick.

I met the operator Tej Kohli in London at the ICE 2004. We talked a bit - I detailed some of the complaints that concerned his business, and he spoke about how they had hired new managers and that they were turning over a new leaf. We agreed that if complaints would stop coming in, the Virtual Casino group would be removed from the "Rogue Section". After several months of quietness, they were removed.

If this operator continues to run his operations in an ethical and honorable manner, and is answerable to player concerns, then we have succeeded in delivering someone from the darkside. The players will be the first to know if Virtual Casino resorts to their former ways. Reports of misconduct or claims for any of the above casinos should be lodged here.

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[joeyl]

So Mark, OPU mods..

Fact. Virtual are known past rogues. After 5 years, they come to certain forums looking to clean up the past. This is to clean up "300 casino clones" worth stretching back years. Maybe they should contact those people by email anyway. Not to mention thos who lost their deposits while in breach.

Anyways.

We have 11 casinos (http://www.thevirtualcasino.com/onlinecasino.shtml) with links to each promo page. The rules for each promo are located elsewhere. Not obviously linked to.

Those rules do not state if one can have 11 accounts or not.

The Player Complaints (http://www.thevirtualcasino.com/complaints.shtml) is incorrect also.

Errors on every page by vegas strip casino.

To me the firm are rogue. Far from acceptable even today, let alone the past. Also links to a rogue sportsbook. I predict they will turn even worse again, when it suits them.

Sort these things out is my only interest. If this is the place, let's do that.

I say call out the rogues, not the members who pose valid concerns.

[m249a]

So Mark, OPU mods..

Fact. Virtual are known past rogues. After 5 years, they come to certain forums looking to clean up the past. This is to clean up "300 casino clones" worth stretching back years. Maybe they should contact those people by email anyway. Not to mention thos who lost their deposits while in breach.

Anyways.

We have 11 casinos (http://www.thevirtualcasino.com/onlinecasino.shtml) with links to each promo page. The rules for each promo are located elsewhere. Not obviously linked to.

Those rules do not state if one can have 11 accounts or not.

The Player Complaints (http://www.thevirtualcasino.com/complaints.shtml) is incorrect also.

Errors on every page by vegas strip casino.

To me the firm are rogue. Far from acceptable even today, let alone the past. Also links to a rogue sportsbook. I predict they will turn even worse again, when it suits them.

Sort these things out is my only interest. If this is the place, let's do that.

I say call out the rogues, not the members who pose valid concerns.


Agreed....and if you read an eariler post by me, I (as well as some others) we questioned this in very simple terms.

Perhaps these questions need addressed again.

[SirWilliam58]

I will say this, I was trying to find out a few things, and to question Danny on the future of Virtual, and thier customer base, However this thread has been turned into a bashing, and once that happens then nobody gets nowhere. I have better things to do with my time than bitch at someone that had nothing to do with the past.
So now we'll never know what the future holds. Remember Danny only came here to talk about Danny and Virtual in an INTERVIEW, he wasn't asking anyone to join Virtual. He was wanting to know what the players want and expect, IE he was looking for input and thats all. I have in the past said that the casino managers should not be allowed to come in and promote thier casino's. I still support that, However if they want to get info to make things better for us the player then why not? Danny has said this more than once in this interview. So now I've said my peace and I am DONE.

[joeyl]

That is just not a serious request Sir William.

Rogue casino manager strolls by OPU, does cosy interview, strolls about a bit more chatting up the membership.

You'll have every rogue strolling about in here mugging us off. Of course, not to promote their casino, oh no. No fielding of difficult questions about the casinos otherwise you'll get told to step off before you get a slap if you don't accept some half arsed answer.

It must be a full moon.

[DamianDunlap]

landiar , black widow and prism was on cpa site. Check the master list. he took prism down after i mention it. I have the screen shot.

I will say this one last time. Unlike other sites. We back, We back each of are members with insurance. Looking around who else doing that.

So if we take on any site so be it. We back it , unlike alot of other places.

[DamianDunlap]

joeyl
Who determines who rogue? Base on? Who gave them the power?

joeyl you also think scifi is rogue? Read the insurance policy!!!!

[joeyl]

I determine my own criteria for rogue Damian. The firm are rogue.

I have read the insurance policy. It is not pertinent to who I think is a rogue.

You don't need to have this conversation with me here, because every question is rhetorical, because you know the answers, because we discussed it already.

We have 3 issues here now.

Danny fluffy interview.
Virtual are rogues so what on earth are you doing backing this firm?
How your mods and the opu react to a member or 2 they disagree with.

[VirtualDanny]

Your kidding me right? LOL

I have to say, I swore to myself I wasn’t going to allow you nor any other immature adolescent acting type of person that cant contain their self satisfaction within, to continue taking this interview in the wrong direction. I was going to either walk away and not waste my time or I was going to come back and just ignore you and hope that players would start giving me some insight and suggestions to what they look for in a casino. Because I really do want to keep the on line forum player in mind from here on in. And I will with or without anyone’s help.

But I just have got to reply to you LOL
This will be my last reply to you. You will hear from me no more, you and your side kick, although I really was taking a liking to him, he seems to have a sense of humor so there is help for him yet. He was off the money when he said what he said after my letter, but he’s got a sense of humor at least

lanidar2003, You are making me laugh so hard and smile so well. I thank you for that. I had a really hard day today and you were the only one to put a smile on my face so far LOL

I’m still smiling now LOL

Unlike you Sir, you are not going to get me to tell you where I’m from in New York, who I know, what I know, nor MY neighborhood secrets. But you have NO IDEA my friend, you have no idea.

If you want an apology, you ask me. That’s what real. You don’t ask anyone else. You ask me.

I have had enough of you. You and your friends.
Do you think people are really that stupid?
Do you not know that everyone here knows your taking advantage of the fact Im here, just to bash Virtual?
Your self satisfying behavior is nothing more then your inner child crying out.
This is not the place for it.
This is not the place for you to vent because you have “feelings”
This interview will not be the place for it.
This is to be a start of something that could be really good for both casinos and on line forum players.
The On Line Forum Player should be ignored no more.
Not you, your friends or anyone else will stop this communication from happening.
It will happen.
It will happen here as a start.
Mark has started something that all others will follow sooner or later.
And they will follow because this is something that should have been done along time ago.
Communication opened!!!
Ideas Shared!!!
Suggestions Made and seriously though of!!!


To show you my back hand of New York is to show you I can get tough too. To show you my back hand of New York is to show you the scars on my hand form the hard times I have done already. It means I can do the same as you have been doing. Means I can handle myself It means I’m not scared of you or anyone. It’s an expression. That’s what it means. That’s what I was saying.
I was trying to say, I could of zapped you back as witty as you think you are, but I chose not to
I said that’s not what I was here for. I’m not here to get into a brawl of words with you or anyone else. This was to be a learning experience. I’m here to grow and invite others to grow

If I wanted to say something to you I will say it. And my point would get across to you loud and clear for you to understand it. You wouldn’t have to read behind the lines


So, I now say, Once again, FOR THE LAST TIME,
once again you have wasted MY time, OTHERS time.

You and your sidekick are just about making me lose my patients.

Remove yourself from this thread for the benefit of the On Line Forum Player,
if you really care about the On Line Forum Player like you so said.
And don’t try to find an excuse to stay, like, “I’m not going to let anyone shut me up”
Don’t find excuses.
Be a man and do the right thing for others
Remove yourself or get removed from this thread by the powers to be
for the benefit of your fellow forum players so we may start the communication and not waste it anymore on your “feelings” you hold for The Virtual

I will not be associated with you or your friends in the same place
Do it or I will not be coming back
And trust me,
I wont lose any sleep over it because I will still find a way to open up communication with the On Line Forum Player
One way or the other!!!

But if I go, you, along with your buddy will be the talk of forums

About how you just wouldn’t allow the communication between the on line forum player and myself to take place so as to benefit the on line forum player.
All because you just wouldn’t stop acting like a horses ass.

[VirtualDanny]

I just have to add how peeved I am at these guys not allowing this communication to transpire between us

I think its so selfish for someone to take away something from another, just to benefit themselves

And after all that bull crap of “I’m here for the player” “I care about the player”

Tell me how much your going to care Joey
Tell me what will you do to make it up to your “FELLOW” members Mr Font
when you’ll be the source to close the communication here?
Because this will happen if you don’t remove yourselves.

Start another thread on your feelings of Virtual if you have to. I don’t care.

But what you’re doing here for your fellow on line forum player as well as your fellow OPU “member” is just horrible. You two deserve no respect form anyone. And you wont get it

No matter what you say or how hard you try, I will get communication between the on line forum player and myself.

If not here then elsewhere
If not in Virtual then elsewhere

But I will without you

You call yourself a Friend to others here Mr Font?
You call yourself a member of OPU?
Give me a break
You're nothing but misplaced anger
that has affected your "Friends" and your fellow "Members"

[BiaacthSlapper]

Hi Thatchatch and All



Thank you for the welcome. Im thrilled to have found your board.
I will visit here often.

Im sorry to burst your bubbles here, but showing someone your backhand is nothing to do with actually touching anyone it means you have the scars on your hands to prove your as tough as the next guy...ya know like you can stand up for yourself and get into things.
Just another thought.
A little thing like his statement is a far cry from the constant belittling and ridiculing you guys are "trying" inflict on him. I said "Trying" cause it doesn't seem to be having an affect on him at all, so can you guys give it up this is getting to be embrassing for you.

The only ones you are hurting is yourselfs, not to mention your relationships here. Is this worth it??You say that Virtual has done enough to you and yet you have to wonder is this another thing you will count as their doing ???? Cause if you step back and look its only because of what you are saying and demanding of this forum and the owner or staff that has become a problem. There is where the problem lies.

It looks for it to be high time you let this go for your own well being if nothing else. Look at all the time you will have saved. You can use all that energy on something really worth while, you do know about the hurricane that hit right?

You all seem to be very smart good people. Some maybe just caught up in a past that Danny had nothing to do with. Let him try to make Virtual a better place. Is that so bad?? It seems you would be much happier and probably healthier if you were to let go of this thing you are holding so deep inside yourself. It can't be healthy for you at all to act this way


On the other hand I have stopped watching my soap opera's cause this is better than anything I can find on daytime television lol

Thanks again thatchatch for having me.
I Hope to look over the rest of the board soon

Peace Out BS

[Thatchatch]

Hi Slapper and everyone,

Slapper, thanks for your to-the-point input.

Btw there’s no need to thank me, as it’s my pleasure to welcome all new members, and in this case I’m really glad that I’ve welcomed one that leans toward positive contributions.

Danny’s own proposal to the very few, as to suggesting to them that they open their own thread, whether it'd be for bashing Virtual, or whatever they wish to do, should be honestly be considered: anyone's freedom of speech would in this way not be impeded, and we could move on in a positive manner on this thread - with courtesy and honesty.

Hopefully, in this way, from this moment on we can have an open and fair discussion.

Regards,

[DamianDunlap]

That is it. No more screaming Virtural is rogue in this thread. Post it all you like in the padded room.

[joeyl]

VD could always write me a nice post and I repost that as a generic reply.

That would be good.

[lanidar2003]

My post was
DELETED.
Why?

[Thatchatch]

Hi Uncle,

Your post was not deleted that I know of - in fact I know so.

You have ignored Damian’s post just above yours and obviously did not read his request.

Post are not deleted as a rule at the OPU, but they can be moved by management to areas judged more appropriate. Again, please read Damian’s request and his clue as to where your post was moved to.

Without malice.

Truly,

[lanidar2003]

Hi Uncle,

Your post was not deleted that I know of - in fact I know so.

You have ignored Damian’s post just above yours and obviously did not read his request.

Post are not deleted as a rule at the OPU, but they can be moved by management to areas judged more appropriate. Again, please read Damian’s request and his clue as to where your post was moved to.

Without malice.

Truly,

Hi Thatch,
I did read his post.
I also PM'd him for the password so that I may enter the Padded Room.
As yet, I have not received a response.

Too bad it was moved.
It was funny.
And it goes to show Danny that I do have a sence of humor.

Thanks Thatch,
Lanidar

[Thatchatch]

Uncle,

The password was changed and I don't have it. I get in auto because of the mod 'tool kit'... same with Poly's, I don't have it. I have to get them too so I know. If I don't log in I can't get access either.

Suggestion: call DD briefly on the phone, he'll give them to you. He may still be on his flight from vegas... Or sage has probably got them...

I never said that the post had no humor whatsoever, it's just that it may not belong in this thread. Opinions differ, that's all.

Have fun.

Regards,

[Thatchatch]

VD could always write me a nice post and I repost that as a generic reply.

That would be good.


Danny said that at least you had a sense of humor, “Billy Joel”… ;)
So there’s perhaps some hope for you after all… :) Hold your fire, dude: if you shoot first and talk after, you won’t hear anything.
2 cents.



Allow me to start the ‘ball rolling’ again with a simple question in our revised civilized tone:

Danny, I know that it's only been a short while since you've had full control of Virtual's operations, but are there changes for the better, in respect to the players, that you've already made and that you can tell us about? Or are there changes that are in the works, and can you reveal us something about them?

Regards,

[VirtualDanny]

Hi BiaacthSlapper

Thank you. You pretty much got it down. I just wish I was getting paid like those actors in the soaps LOL

[VirtualDanny]

HI Thatchatch

Yes there have been and will continue to be changes. I have been working on wording for the web site that pertains to how many accounts you can have and with what casino. All present players already know this because I tell them daily in personal emails. Im trying to finish it as fast as possible for the new players to understand. But, I tell new players a day or two after they join up so everyone is up to date without problems. .

Im working on a program for advanced payers and bonus users ( they are called abusers ) but I dont like that name. Someone gave me the idea to call them users so I will leave it at that wording. I want to see these guys playing more and being happy about it. So Im working on a new bonus program just for them

Im working on individual bonus coupons for each casino and individual EXTRAS for each casino.

For example if you play in CrystalClubCasino.com and use Western Union, you will get 10% extra on any bonus used all the time. In WinItCasino.com you will get 10% cash back on all your deposit loses every month plus if you use Neteller as a deposit method you get $10 for every $100. GoldenDreamsCasino.com will boast faster payouts. JustWinCasino.com will also boast a 10% cash back gamblers insurance with the deposit loses every month as well as 20% for referrals. Spin2WinCasino.com can get you 25% insurance on all deposits of $100 or more made with western union as well as $20 for referring a friend to us. AblackJack.com which is one of my favorites will soon have one of the best promotional codes for Black Jack and one of the best tournaments happening for Black Jack you will find anywhere. This is going to be one of my favorite works. DreamsCasino.com will also boast faster payouts

Now a few of these things have already been there and in the works, its now just up to me to adjust them and get the word out about the many extras they will get by playing in those particular casinos.

So in short, Im working on individual bonus packages and individual extras for each casino you play in.

Im working more with The On Line Forum Player then I have every did before. They have their own special tournaments going on. And obviously I ask for their suggestions

Im working on an automated email that each player will receive once they down load a particular casino. A suggestion made right here on this forum from DD

I now go out of my way to fix any problems the On Line Forum Player has. You guys know how it works, You pay players hoping they come back in and spend it again so you have your own people you pay first. Not anymore with me. I have put the Pn Line Forum Player first.

Id like to change a few other things but will keep those to myself for the time being

All of this is not easy.

Joeyl seems to think it is very easy to get those words up on the site real fast to tell people the new rules of what casino you can have and what you can not, its not that easy. This is a lot of work for me, Understand, I don’t sit behind a desk and direct my co workers to now do what I used to do before becoming Manager. I still do my other performances, I wouldn’t be VirtualDanny if I don’t continue to do what I have been doing for 3 years. I’m the one that’s still going to spam you every day. LOL Im kidding. I only email the players that want me to and ask anyone to please tell me to remove them if they don’t want any emails.

Again by the way I inform everyone in the casino almost on a daily basis of the rules of what casino to have and what not. I will continue to do this even after the wording is up and corrected ( remember we just started allowing players to have more then 1 account ) on the web site and even after that automated email is created

There are so many wonderful things I want to do. Realistic wonderful things. I cant wait to sit back and say Yeah Baby…………

Although knowing me, Ill never be satisfied and will always look for more to do, for more to offer the player, I will always look for something different that you will ever get anywhere with any other casino.

The Advanced Player, the Bonus User (Abuser)
No one wants them right? Or if they take them they offer them crazy deals the player wont be able to make or when they win they get paid SLOW to discourage them for playing with them. I will not do that. The will have their own Bonus Package that they will love. And I will not discourage any one of them form playing. If I don’t want you Ill tell you.

Funny, tonight was the first night in the 3 years Ive been there that I told a player I just don’t want them playing anymore. Im not stupid. I know what certain players do and try to do to get as much money as they can form a casino.

I knew what type this player was. They would come in with a $100 deposit, lose it on a 300% bonus, come back on a $200 deposit take a lower bonus and lose it, then they spot your best yet offer, my 200% Bonus on $2000 that if you lose you get it back 100% and then you withdraw it, I pay you out 50% of it and put the other 50% in with a 100% Matching bonus and you go again. This was a special for high rollers. I have always taken care of the high rollers. Every one of them jumped on this bonus. Even, this particular player. I knew it. And I tolerated it. But the thing is. With us, if you have a pending we will still allow you to play in any other of our casinos and take any bonus you want. Most casinos restrict you once you win, not us. We allow you to keep going.

And all of my players do that. Even when they have a pending they keep going, so I tend to look out for that kind of player. Try to pay them faster, give them a better bonus for still playing even when they have a pending. Things like that. All my players still play when they have a pending. But this particular player didn’t.

After winning on me and being up on the casino. She stopped. Never deposited again and wants to get all paid first before doing anything. She receives installments and tells me she’ll wait to receive all the money before playing again. Mind you she has been getting paid on time without delays, and still refuses to continue playing

Guys, that’s fine, I have nothing against that. But I practically gave this win to her. I know she’s a wise guy, I’m not an idiot. She could have at least shown some courtesy and did me a favor and throw some money back my way. This is what it is all about.

You play you win you continue on. If I win on you, I will get you a better bonus next time to give you a better chance to win some back from me. If you win on me, I expect you to give me back some and let me try to beat you.

You have every right to get up and walk away, Im not saying you don’t. But your not gonna get my special treatment again if you do.

So this was the first player In 3 years I told to not come back.

I never thought Id hear myself say that. NO, I don’t want your money anymore LOL

This story had nothing to do with what I have in stored for changes but I thought Id open up a little bit more to you tonight. Try to give you a bit more of an insight to who Iam and what I give and expect in return.

Besides my Mom wasn’t home tonight
so I couldn’t use her as my nightly complaining sounding board so you guys got it LOL

[VirtualDanny]

Just wanted to clear a few things up about my last post

Danny Quote
Yes there have been and will continue to be changes. I have been working on wording for the web site that pertains to how many accounts you can have and with what casino. All present players already know this because I tell them daily in personal emails. Im trying to finish it as fast as possible for the new players to understand. But, I tell new players a day or two after they join up so everyone is up to date without problems. .

Just to let you know so that last sentence is not confused, All players, All present players already know not to open an account with those other casinos, so when I get a new player that downloads and joins, I tell them right then and there of the rule who to not download again and who to download additionally


Danny Quote
Im working on a program for advanced payers and bonus users

I meant to say Advanced Player and Bonus Users, that was a typo


A few of you seem to be concerned about this thing to let players know what casino they can join and which they can not. This has been getting done and all know the rule. There is no problem here with this matter.

Just a thought to you to think about - Instead of looking at this as something negative. And trying to find fault in it. Take it for what it now is. You can now have more then one account in the casino you love to play in.

Im surprised no one has seen this point yet. This is a good thing people.

Once you have a withdrawal you do not have to stop, you do not have to be restricted on what bonus you can now take just because you have a withdrawal pending. This is a wonderful thing and you should take it as such

[Mesuzecat]

Danny,

Im working on a program for advanced payers and bonus users


Freud would love that!

And I gotta admit I am guilty about not depositing all my winnings (such as they are) right away. I will do better, I promise.

[VirtualDanny]

Hi Mesuzecat

LOL

[Thatchatch]

Hi Danny,

I was working on putting up together other questions to ask of you when this one suddenly popped up… So in the meantime, I think this may be of interest to some of our members…

I happen to know that you have the ability to ‘customize’, up to a point… how shall I say, the game conditions for players. Adjusting/changing a game’s minimum bet is an example. For instance, a player may consider the minimum bet for a certain game too high for his/her own taste, or style of play or even for his/her’s own budget considerations.

To illustrate a budget consideration, let’s take the example of a small depositor that happens to love to play blackjack. We can imagine that a mere $20 deposited for entertainment purposes may not last too long at $5 per wager, especially if Lady Luck doesn’t smile at someone from the onset – Two failed doubled-down hands at that’s it! With the renowned quickness of RTG’s software, this would likely take much less than a minute.

For whatever reason, let’s say that a player asks you to change the minimum bet at BJ from $5 to $1…
Do you often get requests from players asking such minimum bet changes? Do you accommodate them readily or is it a case-by-case consideration? Do you turn some of those requests down, and if so what would the reasons be?

Regards,

[joeyl]

Do those things Danny. When you do, I will have a look and you will get nothing but my honest opinion. I am looking for idiot proof terms and top quality website usability practises.

Ecogra and PWC will listen in the end (http://mb.winneronline.com/showpost.html?p=109428&postcount=199) or they will get the same truth. You are not alone. The boss here knows that.

1 day they may regret not listening, probably not, same with Virtual. However improbable it is my posts make a difference to the player at large, "step off or you will be disliked" is not a valid arguement and most certainly not something a casino rep should be posting in public forum..

Looks bad on the firm VDanny.

[Thatchatch]

Danny,

Because of some past repeated doubts in the minds of some people about the Virtual Casino versions that are not part of the following 5 'new concept' separate casinos, which are:

www.TheVirtualCasino.com
www.CrystalClubCasino.com
www.WinItCasino.com
www.VegasStripCasino.com
www.Spin2WinCasino.com

Can we put this matter to rest: The other versions of Virtual Casino itself, the ones that are not integrated into the 'new concept' of those above 5 casinos...Those other Casinos' pages now do explain to new players exactly what version they have downloaded, tells them what bonuses that they're allowed to use and warns them of bonuses that they're not allowed to take twice (be it free chips or others).

Rules of what bonuses players can take as well as the free chip rules are on the main casino site.

You’re were also working on - is the project completed? - an automated email they will receive immediately once they download a casino. This automated email reaffirms all of the rules, as well as to all of the do’s and don'ts.

As for expressing this into questions: Can we conclude that the Virtual Casino Group is now completely foolproof, as any and all new player's confusions or doubts are now covered? Can we finally conclude that the Virtual Casino Group is - Presently and for the Future - fully and absolutely devoid of any traps that any new player, as fully informed, could inadvertently fall into?

I have done my homework, and comprehend the answer to the formulated multi-part question…

It’s basically not for those whose hobby is to live in the past and keep on re-hashing worthless antiquities.

Would you care to address this further, elaborate or add to this for clarity, meant for the benefit of our members?


Regards,

[joeyl]

All looks the same to me on the websites. Gonna have to link it up Thatch. It’s basically not for those whose hobby is to live in the past and keep on re-hashing worthless antiquities

You mean knowing the firms CV.

I would'nt back any casino anywhere as hard as you back Virtual, of all firms. Makes it pointless you keep trying to influence me by way of prod.

[VirtualDanny]

Hello Thatchatch

The min bet on BJ is $1 actually. Unless their status changes. Vips get upped, Bonus Lovers get upped

Danny

[VirtualDanny]

Hi Thatchatch

Quote
As for expressing this into questions: Can we conclude that the Virtual Casino Group is now completely foolproof, as any and all new player's confusions or doubts are now covered? Can we finally conclude that the Virtual Casino Group is - Presently and for the Future - fully and absolutely devoid of any traps that any new player, as fully informed, could inadvertently fall into?

I dont think I can add anymore then what I have expressed on this.

No Traps, No Problems, many wonderful improvements

[VirtualDanny]

Quote
For whatever reason, let’s say that a player asks you to change the minimum bet at BJ from $5 to $1…
Do you often get requests from players asking such minimum bet changes? Do you accommodate them readily or is it a case-by-case consideration? Do you turn some of those requests down, and if so what would the reasons be?

Just to go more into detail. We do get request for the changes. From up to down, down to up. It depends on the player and their status with what we do with the request.

We pretty much accomadate almost everyone yes. To a point though.

[david1025]

This is my take. Let the past be the past and start from scratch is fine by me. Of course im not an old player who had any problems whatsoever with this place so it might be more easy for me to say that. All i know is that its hard to win at this game and there is nothing worse than getting lucky and then not getting paid. i understand the run around that you always get when you want to cash out but im happy to get whats coming if i should be lucky enough to win...

[VirtualDanny]

Hello David

Nice to see you in. Im here because Im interested in any suggestions you might have for me that would make your on line gaming experience better, easier, happier...Do you have any?

NO matter how small you think they are, Im open to hear them

Danny

[lanidar2003]

Hello David

Nice to see you in. Im here because Im interested in any suggestions you might have for me that would make your on line gaming experience better, easier, happier...Do you have any?

NO matter how small you think they are, Im open to hear them

Danny

HEY!!!
I have a suggestion.
http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/177846/Thoughtfortheday31[1].jpg

[Thatchatch]

Hi Uncle,

You keep defying your nephew DD!

Please wait untill you get your own section for those funny things of yours...! :eek:

I remain.

Your nephew,

Thatch

[lanidar2003]

Moved to the Padded Room by me :D

[Thatchatch]

Hi uncle,

You’re a cool dude.

Let’s all make sure to visit the padded room for some comedy relief! :)

You'll turn our padded room into a main attraction! :cool:

Truly.

Your nephew,

Thatch

Regards,

[VirtualDanny]

Now thats the smartest thing you have said yes on this thread

Why wont you listen to yourself???

LOL

Got anymore ideas for a promo that I can run?

[lanidar2003]

Now thats the smartest thing you have said yes on this thread

Why wont you listen to yourself???

LOL


Ya got me!!! :eek:

http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/177846/Laughing%20pig.gif

Your turn.
:p

[caruso]

Just wanted to clear a few things up about my last post

Danny Quote
Yes there have been and will continue to be changes. I have been working on wording for the web site that pertains to how many accounts you can have and with what casino. All present players already know this because I tell them daily in personal emails. Im trying to finish it as fast as possible for the new players to understand. But, I tell new players a day or two after they join up so everyone is up to date without problems. .

Just to let you know so that last sentence is not confused, All players, All present players already know not to open an account with those other casinos, so when I get a new player that downloads and joins, I tell them right then and there of the rule who to not download again and who to download additionally
I waded through about 16 pages of insults and irrelevancies to get to this apparently pertinent bit; could it not have appeared a bit sooner, like after I requested it on page 1? LOL.

Danny:

So, the sites of the clone casinos are unchanged, as is the Virtual homepage containing the links - but you say you are in the process of changing it all. You also say that you email all current players on a daily basis with this information. Well, not me: I have two Virtual accounts (Virtual, very old, and Spin2Win, very recent) and have not received any notification on the clones issue. If I'm representative of all players, noone has been told anything about anything by anyone.

Putting aside apparent emails which aren't: until you can get up coherent web pages, why do you run them at all? Why do you not wait until they're ready before they go up? And since you want to run them, why do you not separate off the six clones into their own column with a heading along the lines of "Virtual casino downloads; you may not claim bonuses at more than one of the following casinos, including Virtual casino itself", with the five NON clone sites listed separately?

How much HTML skill and time would that require?

As far as I can see the problem of the clones has remained untouched, and addressing it would require little to no effort; this was the issue I raised on page 1, which has led to 18 pages of mind-numbing insults, jokes and non-issues with no reference to THIS issue until fully page 16.

Can you offer clarification on the above?

Damian: Great to meet you in Vegas. I wish you'd do something about the horizontal scrolling effect of this forum. It detracts enormously from the readability and is a big nuisance for users. We have to keep scrolling right, then back again, for each post. There must be a reasonably easy HTML fix.

[DamianDunlap]

nice to meet you to caruso

Caruso, we have a non banner version of the forum. Look all the way down at the bottom to the left click default. Bam no scrolling.

Please keep the insults in the right forum. Please

Thanks People

[VirtualDanny]

Hi caruso


It’s a pleasure to have you here and at The Virtual. If you ever have any suggestions, my email is Comments@CasinoSupportCenter.com or if you ever run into problems, please see me personally.

Like I said before. It was a work in progress. But if you must know how I work - The powers to be decide what to do and do it, I’m not told, but I then just follow behind them and try to change things accordingly as to make things easier for the player. I don’t know all what goes on sometimes in their mind until it is decided to be done. But then, that’s when I step in and make adjustments. Such as the wording on the sites, the automated email to be received and other things that Im still working on. Until that was done I was sending info by email on the ones that you can open up and have additionally. If you don’t get all my emails for some reason and want to make sure you get them all, please contact me with your user and email address and Ill check to see if any of your emails have been returned to me

Caruso Quote
Putting aside apparent emails which aren't:

Danny continuing
I sense I have to prove myself that emails are being sent out on this matter. By your tone it seems I have to prove it. I hope that’s not the case. I hope I’m now not going to have to prove to yet another player on all things that I say are happening. I hope you will keep in mind what I have been saying all along.
Im not here to prove anything. Im not here to ask for forgiveness. Im not looking for anyone to keep doubting every word I say. Im here to take your suggestions and open up some dialog. Im here to have an open mind to you guys and hope I get the same respect in return.

Proof does have it though, we have already had a member here, that’s also a player of Virtual, post the email I send for now. So there are emails going out about it

I have by the way finished everything I wanted to finish tonight. I do try to do things as fast as I answer emails but, like I said, decisions are made by the powers to be, and then I just make adjustments I see fit to make. Things will not be fast covered, but I do get the point across on anything I need to in my daily emails


So, now guys, now that we have just about beat this clone thing down, Id like to ask you guys some questions and move on to other things that Im looking forward to

Do you have any suggestions for me that would benefit the On Line Forum Player?
What can I do for you guys that would make things exciting and new for you?
Certain Bonuses?
Certain Tournaments?
What’s your favorite games?
What can I implement for you, The Virtual Casino Group member, The On Line Forum Player, that would make things easier for you? More exciting for you? More understanding for you?

[lanidar2003]

This post was made in The Padded Room.
I copy/pasted it here also so that ALL OPU members may read this.
No bashing, no cartoons just the truth.

lanidar2003

Quote
I've mentioned this quite a few times and everyone seem to be ignoring the FACT that some one, most likely more than one, DELETED my site.

No one is addressing that FACT!

Danny
Its not that this deletion thing is being ignored here, its just that the thread is about Me wanting to get closer to the On Line Forum Player.
Its got nothing to do with YOU and your grips with Virtual, valid or definitely not valid.

This is what more then a few people have been trying to get through to you.
This is what I mean by still telling you when I say you’re trying to get a free ride.
This thread we started wasn’t about YOU it was about ME wanted to get closer to the On Line Forum Player.
Not for you to get the opportunity to start bashing Virtual or myself, hence “free ride”
You want to get your own space here so as you may bash Virtual.
This isn’t right.
Why do you want this?
Because I wanted to come in and do some good?
So now you have to come in and get a free ride?

We both know that’s what your doing.
You’re here because you see an opportunity for a free ride.
And its happening…
This is not right
If you cared at all about what I was trying to do for the player you would stop.
But your not going to because apparently you will continue getting a free ride at my expense

Listen, I don’t know you, you don’t know me
But I’m not stupid
Far from it
I know what your doing

I don’t know how these On Line Forums work
Or why you are allowed to do this in such a manner as you have chosen,
At the time when I have finally chosen to look out for the On Line Forum Player

But its just not right the way it going about.
I guess people can post what they want on Forums.
I guess that’s what its all about
But they way you have gone about it, in the manner you have gone about it
And the timing you have done it in,
Well it just isn’t right in my eyes

And I’m here to say now, to you and anyone else
I’m not stupid
I know what you’re doing
And it shouldn’t be allowed to happen this way

I totally and completely agree with you.
I DEFENITLY is NOT about me ...it's about you, you AND Virtual.
AND how Virtual has and will lie and cheat the player of they're winnings with these huge bogus bonuses. Immense WR's and T&C's that a player would need a law degree to understand.

Again...you are right it's about you AND Virtual.
It's how the deletion of Insom SURELY IS being IGNORED by YOU and Virtual.
If you are the man at Virtual, address this issue because players are skeptical about the truthfulness of Virtual. I'm sure my posts, in the past have stopped players from making deposits because their distrust. And my future posts will continue to make the player more and more leery as time goes on.

I'm a realistic person and I know that though I'd like to put you out of business, it's not going to happen.
But, realistically speaking, I have and will continue to draw players away and that will affect your bottom line no mater have insignificant it may be.
So, as you can plainly see, I'm doing my very best to keep you from getting "closer to the On Line Forum Player."

You may call this a "free ride" if you wish.
I call this the perfect opportunity to enlighten the player of the BEWARE SIGN that I carry.
I think that's self explanatory.

There are no cartoons here, no nasty word and no VD bashing.
This post does NOT belong behind closed doors where a password is needed for the OPU player to see.
It's about YOU and Virtual and definitely relevant to the VD II interview.
Having said that...I will post this in BOTH The Padded Room and the VD II interview area so that ALL may have an opportunity to reply to this thread.
Not just a select few.

[joeyl]

The bloke muddies every post Caruso. Wriggles like an eel every time, on every question. The mods here defend him if you call him on it. And round again we go on the Virtual/OPU merrygoround.

[m249a]

The bloke muddies every post Caruso. Wriggles like an eel every time, on every question. The mods here defend him if you call him on it. And round again we go on the Virtual/OPU merrygoround.


The mods here defend him if you call him on it.

The mods here have tried to keep th econversation civil. We have asked questions as well....in fact one of my mods did the interview. Just because you feel your concerns have gone unanswered, does not mean you should continue to insult th emods on this site.

[SlotChik]

Also, this is NOT a bashing thread, UNCLE..
I may have to delete your post...because we are NOT out to discredit any GUEST that has come here on their own FREE WILL to HELP the player..
Virtual WAS a bad casino..YES!!!!
Now, it is different, and Virtual Danny is trying to HELP MOVE FORWARD!!
FORGET THE PAST!! It's OVER!!!

I have not heard of a player NOT GETTING PAID BY THIS GROUP IN A LONG TIME!!!

LET IT GO~!~ MOVE ON and let Virtual Danny answer the players questions that pertain to strengthening the relationship between us and them.

Heated discussions are for the padded room~! ONLY~~~

CAPESH??~!!!!!

[m249a]

Lanidars posts stays.

[joeyl]

Mark >> It is not an insult to say the mods defend Virtual and/or Vdanny, if the mods do defend them.

[lanidar2003]

Lanidars posts stays.

Thank You...m249a.
I don't see where that post was a "bashing contest" in any form at all.
I TRULY tried to be discrete with my words.

I am attempting to get some answers to many question.
So far VD has evaded the real issues.

As far as I can see, he has made many statements on how he is going to correct past issues and make changes...some are surprise changes.

As my friend CPA says:
"Leaving the sites unchanged, and simply stating all the crap will be handled via email when a person signs up is pure nonsense. Why not just DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, and change the sites to CLEARLY reflect the clones situation?? Why do want to attempt to CATCH the problems as they occur?"

"More than a few people have been trying to get thru to YOU, but you continue to side track the questions, and use the "Artful Dodger" approach, and hide behind closed doors.

That tactic may fly with a specific few, but it's not going to work for those who know your history, and it certainly isn't going to "GET YOU CLOSER" to the online players, or help in any way to fix the tainted past.

Actions Danny, not more BS! Let's SEE the changes!"

Here is the link to the entire thread:

http://www.thiscasinosucks.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=THISCASINOSUCKS;action=display;num=1 126654449;start=

Slot....
I can't and won't let the past remain in the past.
Now, just think...THINK...how would you feel if the OPU were deleted.
It could happen.
Everyone is vulnerable to hackers.
EVERYONE!

[caruso]

Hi caruso

I sense I have to prove myself that emails are being sent out on this matter. By your tone it seems I have to prove it. I hope that’s not the case. I hope I’m now not going to have to prove to yet another player on all things that I say are happening. I hope you will keep in mind what I have been saying all along.
Im not here to prove anything. Im not here to ask for forgiveness. Im not looking for anyone to keep doubting every word I say. Im here to take your suggestions and open up some dialog. Im here to have an open mind to you guys and hope I get the same respect in return.

Your tone is challenging to say the least. I said I'd not received any emails. Whether you feel the need to "prove" this or not, that remains what I've received - or not, in this case. It's also a rather selective dialogue you're requesting, because it seems to carry many conditions: no proof requirement, no doubting (blind acceptance, then?), open minds required. It's quite a list of conditions that one must agree to in order to participate. If you want a genuine dialogue, it has to take the form of questions and answers, and you can't select the questions you answer or claim a question has been answered when it hasn't.

So, now guys, now that we have just about beat this clone thing down, Id like to ask you guys some questions and move on to other things that Im looking forward to
Baby, it ain't been touched even. I asked on page one. Pages 1 to 16 were full of insults and waffle. Page 16 contained the hint of an answer so I pushed the matter (my second contribution), to which you responded. That's hardly beating the matter.

Forget about the emails. You can't expect any coherence when your business plan is based on a confusing, muddled web site compensated by email explanations to every new player! Ditch the emails and clear up the website. Split off the clones and label them correctly.

Can you address this? I'm not much interested in other things that have been raised. As far as I know, there are no past, unresolved issues. And, no offence, meant to Lanidar, but the accusation that Virtual deleted his site is not at all proven, so I'm going to pass on that one too. So that doesn't leave anything too complicated to sort through.

If the question is unclear, I'll give you a ring and we can spend five minutes talking about it. Beats the hell out of typing for two hours. That might be the quickest way to nip in the bud an apparently simple question that's got excessively complicated and misunderstood (somehow).

[joeyl]

Lanidar forum is simple.

Virtual or staff member deleted it.
Sabotage to make Virtual look bad.

Both possible. So it is even.

Virtual then go and offer Lan & Jin gamblingfamily.com as compensation for something they know nothing of and are indeed being wrongly accused of doing. An apparent goodwill gesture that has me puzzled. Virtual do not deny the offer of Gamblingfamily..

[sgt331]

Hey Joey, I do not find it confusing at all that Virtual offered Lanidar and Jinnia the gamblingfamily.com web site. They got caught and tried to make amends after the whole messy situation was posted all over the web. I don't blame Lanidar for posting this information whenever he sees Virtual spreading bullsh*t in the forums. Players need to know and those that do know will not forget all the dirty deeds of Virtual.What I find so amazing is that Virtual is spreading this bullcrap here --in the Players Union Forum--Reading thru all this crap has been a waste of time. VD hasn't given a direct answer to any of the questions that are relevent to this topic. And I doubt it that you will get an answer. By VD's last posts, it seems he is toying with the members and this is a game.

IMHO, if casino managers or employees are interviewed or allowed to join the union, At Least get someone that is reputable, honest and actually have something to offer to the players that is worthwhile. VD's commentaries are a joke and it makes the Union look bad for associating with something that is worldwide web known as crooks and a rogue operation.

Damian, I can't believe that you and Mark is condoning and supporting VD and Virtual Casino.

sgt.

[Thatchatch]

Hi sgt,

Can I ask you kindly who the F are you, Sir?

You’re pretty opinionated for someone that comes here only to freeload on our generosity!


Truly.


Edit note: I’ve checked every one your posts, and all I see from you is “Sign me up” when there’s freebies to be had! :mad:

[sgt331]

Hey Thatch,

Who the F am I? I am just a member of the OPU who has voiced my opinion on this topic of Virtual Danny. Is this the attitude of the union towards members? How unfortunate and sad. I finally see something that bugs me and yes I am opinionated when it comes to rogue operations and rogue casino managers that I thought the union was here to protect players from, not get in bed with them. And may I ask you sir, how am I freeloading on your generosity?
Is this generosity in posing a question as to "who the F am I" ? The only freeloader that appears in this thread is VD getting free exposure for Virtual. You have been quite generous in this endeavor. IMHOpinionateO.

sgt.




P.S. Is there a problem with me signing up for the freerolls? Hell, I joined this union before the freerolls were created. I originally signed up to give support to Damian s new project. And I am sure if you would check, hell half your members or 90% signed up just for the freerolls. If you didn't have freerolls to lure members, this board would be empty. You can't even get over 10 members to sign up on the polls let along make credible post beside all the bs.

[joeyl]

"Post of the Century Thatch."

"Light entertainment at it's finest. Cheers for that."

Post of the Century Thatch! Thanks joeyl, will you hand me the Nobel Prize yourself?

Light entertainment at it's finest. Yeah, there's hope for you after all 'Billy Joel'! Enjoy! ;)

Cheers,

Edit note: Oops this was meant to be a reply.

[VirtualDanny]

Listen lanidar2003

I said all Im going to say to you, and your buddy, and any other of your OTHER friends that come over here trying to discredit me.

I never said anything about how we are changing, never said I have top secret plans in the works to make Virtual look credible.
These are all your words.

I have already said why Im here

Im not going to go back and forth with a piece of work such a s yourself.
Nor would I want to be associated with you or them in ANY way any longer

Like I said, Im not stupid and know why you’re here.

You’re not going to have the time of day from me after this post. Nor will your buddy.

[VirtualDanny]

Quote
Baby, it ain't been touched even. I asked on page one. Pages 1 to 16 were full of insults and waffle. Page 16 contained the hint of an answer so I pushed the matter (my second contribution), to which you responded. That's hardly beating the matter.

Forget about the emails. You can't expect any coherence when your business plan is based on a confusing, muddled web site compensated by email explanations to every new player! Ditch the emails and clear up the website. Split off the clones and label them correctly.


Danny
Nice to hear from you. I know what you mean about typing for 2 hrs and being misunderstood
But I thought this was addressed. Its been done, Im finished with my recommendations and now will submit it Monday morning for approval.
I said in earlier post I was doing this. Even said in an earlier post that I was done with it and ready to submit it

[VirtualDanny]

So Im now spreading BullCrap by saying I want to open up communications with the On Line Forum Player?

Quote
VD hasn't given a direct answer to any of the questions that are relevant to this topic.

What topic? Do you even know what this thread is about?
Did you even bother to read any of my words?
Did you even bother to know, I answered ALL questions pertaining to this thread???

Oh Im sorry, you wanted me to allow Mr Font to move the subject over to something else? Something that has nothing to do with why Im here, and allow him to continue slinging mud at me?

Oh Im sorry, allow me to step aside and have Mr Font take over
This does appear to be what he wants, what he craves

Its not going to happen.
Im here for a reason and will maintain that communication with the On Line Forum Player without someone, and their friends, trying to side track it

[VirtualDanny]

QUOTE
Hey Thatch,

Who the F am I? I am just a member of the OPU who has voiced my opinion on this topic of Virtual Danny. Is this the attitude of the union towards members? How unfortunate and sad. I finally see something that bugs me and yes I am opinionated when it comes to rogue operations and rogue casino managers that I thought the union was here to protect players from, not get in bed with them. And may I ask you sir, how am I freeloading on your generosity?
Is this generosity in posing a question as to "who the F am I" ? The only freeloader that appears in this thread is VD getting free exposure for Virtual. You have been quite generous in this endeavor. IMHOpinionateO.

sgt.


Hey, Im still here sgt331
Do you now have something you want to say to make yourself truly known to everyone? Say it to me

Say it - Say it Now
Come on, this is all you guys are good for anyway isn’t it?
Step up, lets hear all about how you too know me sooooooooo well that you feel you can now spread some more Bull Shit about me, and start calling me names as well.
Lets see…..
Eel
Rouge manager
Uneducated
Schizophrenic
Lets here it, you too seem to know me soooooooo well
Step up
Cause Im standing up
And Im not getting knocked down by any of you
Now by a bunch of people whose only mission in life is to spew venom and receive self gratifications from it

And I stand up because I DO KNOW ME
And you don’t
AND the player is what’s important to me, always has been
Gee thousands of followers, hundreds of emails to me asking for my emails when I don’t send them, asking to be put on my email list, sharing their inner most thoughts, their secrets, confiding in me. Oh yeah, Im really Rogue

[joeyl]

I take it back. Surely none of this is by design.

It strikes me that you have genuinely lost the plot VDanny.

Your posts are very odd.

[lanidar2003]

Listen lanidar2003
I never said anything about how we are changing, never said I have top secret plans in the works to make Virtual look credible.
These are all your words.



Virtual Danny: Quote:
Sir, you have not been with me for the 3 years I’ve been there
You know nothing about what I can do, what I have done, and
what I have in the works.


Lanidar2003
Once again...you are correct!
What have you done in the past.
And what new scheme do you have in store for the players.

What does that quote by you say...something about "In the works?"
You didn't tell us what you "have in the works"....so I assume it's a secret.

[true_bitch]

QUOTE
Hey Thatch,

Who the F am I? I am just a member of the OPU who has voiced my opinion on this topic of Virtual Danny. Is this the attitude of the union towards members? How unfortunate and sad. I finally see something that bugs me and yes I am opinionated when it comes to rogue operations and rogue casino managers that I thought the union was here to protect players from, not get in bed with them. And may I ask you sir, how am I freeloading on your generosity?
Is this generosity in posing a question as to "who the F am I" ? The only freeloader that appears in this thread is VD getting free exposure for Virtual. You have been quite generous in this endeavor. IMHOpinionateO.

sgt.


Hey, Im still here sgt331
Do you now have something you want to say to make yourself truly known to everyone? Say it to me

Say it - Say it Now
Come on, this is all you guys are good for anyway isn’t it?
Step up, lets hear all about how you too know me sooooooooo well that you feel you can now spread some more Bull Shit about me, and start calling me names as well.
Lets see…..
Eel
Rouge manager
Uneducated
Schizophrenic
Lets here it, you too seem to know me soooooooo well
Step up
Cause Im standing up
And Im not getting knocked down by any of you
Now by a bunch of people whose only mission in life is to spew venom and receive self gratifications from it

And I stand up because I DO KNOW ME
And you don’t
AND the player is what’s important to me, always has been
Gee thousands of followers, hundreds of emails to me asking for my emails when I don’t send them, asking to be put on my email list, sharing their inner most thoughts, their secrets, confiding in me. Oh yeah, Im really Rogue
I was directed to this thread, was only going to read over it and go on, but this arrogant ******* has his damn gall to speak to ANYONE as he does.

I have been saying GRAFIX/SOFTECH is the evil one, well, after reading this evasive maneuver technique of VD's (sounds like a disease?), I'd say he goes right to the top with them!

I have yet seen any coherent response to legit questions from this person.

A free ride?? I'd say that is YOU!

How old are? Have you had ANY type of position that called for 'professionalism"?

Shows how Virtual just keeps going down hill by allowing you to be manager, their best bet would to kick your ass to the curb!!

*jinnia

[VirtualDanny]

Hi jinnia

Nice to hear from you again
What’s your question?
I have answered all others, if I wasn’t clear Ill answer them again, but none of the players came back and said my answers were not clear. They all seemed to understand my answers

Just to inform you a bit more
I dont need to be here, I want to be here
Be here for the Forum Player. Im not getting any free ride

So, whats your question? or suggestion you have that would benefit the On Line Forum Player

I dont know if you were calling me arrogant, I hope not, I said nothing wrong. Only that I knew what was coming next from that person and at this point Im so tired of all this Bull Shit from negative people here only because Im here. Taking advantage of the fact Im here so they can start bashing, so I took a stand.

So, whats your question or suggestion?
And keep in mind what this Thread is all about. Its about the benefit of the On Line Forum Player and NO ONE ELSE

[VirtualDanny]

Hello everyone

Just in case you are new in viewing this thread and got lost along the way.

Id like to ask all On Line Forum Players to submit to me any questions they might have

Any comments or suggestions they might hold that will benefit THEM and their On Line Gaming

Even if you dont belong to Virtual, I still want to hear from you. I want to now start looking out for the On Line Forum Player and so, you guys can help yourself or help your fellow player by lettig me know, what I can do as a Manager to look out for you guys

This is the reason why this Thread got started

Please let me know, I try to be here every night from 1am to 2am EST

[Mesuzecat]

I was directed to this thread, was only going to read over it and go on, but this arrogant ******* has his damn gall to speak to ANYONE as he does.

I have been saying GRAFIX/SOFTECH is the evil one, well, after reading this evasive maneuver technique of VD's (sounds like a disease?), I'd say he goes right to the top with them!

I have yet seen any coherent response to legit questions from this person.

A free ride?? I'd say that is YOU!

How old are? Have you had ANY type of position that called for 'professionalism"?

Shows how Virtual just keeps going down hill by allowing you to be manager, their best bet would to kick your ass to the curb!!

*jinnia


Hello Jinnia: How are you? I wanted to be perfectly clear about who you are. Are you the same Jinnia that is Lanidar's partner at Insomniac's Lounge? If so, didn't you acknowledge somewhere that you had moved past the hack of your forum? I think I remember reading that you had forgiven the previous manager, Ted (or at least decided to move on) and that the loss of your forum site was due to a FORMER (very bitter) Virtual employee (so it had NOTHING to do with Danny?) Sorry if I am rehashing very old feelings, but I wanted to be sure. Have a great day!

[Mesuzecat]

[SIZE=3]




What does that quote by you say...something about "In the works?"
You didn't tell us what you "have in the works"....so I assume it's a secret.


Hi Lanidar,

I try not to assume anything (makes an ass out of you and me) LOL. I understood "in the works" to mean it is something being worked on and not yet ready for publication. Does it mean something different to folks in New Jersey?

[true_bitch]

Hello Jinnia: How are you? I wanted to be perfectly clear about who you are. Are you the same Jinnia that is Lanidar's partner at Insomniac's Lounge? If so, didn't you acknowledge somewhere that you had moved past the hack of your forum? I think I remember reading that you had forgiven the previous manager, Ted (or at least decided to move on) and that the loss of your forum site was due to a FORMER (very bitter) Virtual employee (so it had NOTHING to do with Danny?) Sorry if I am rehashing very old feelings, but I wanted to be sure. Have a great day!
No, you are not correct. I never said Ted was involved. I said it was Virtual, but I need to change and say Grafix, of which/who owns Virtual and more businesses, numerous more.

As for moving past the hacking, no I have not, I am searching all the time and keeping files on what I find, which don't involve the online gambler, only the owner and close business partner(s) of Grafix. If I find something that concerns the online gambler, then I post it and speak of it.

I never bought the bit about a former employee of Grafix deleting Insom. Too many incidents all within a short time span points in one direction.

No one said Danny 'himself' was involved, now did they? All I know is Danny could have been a fart in the wind at that time, I had no interest in him or his site.

And no, Lanidar and I are no longer partners, just friends now. He has too much to deal with lately, so Insom is now mine again.

[true_bitch]

Hi jinnia

Nice to hear from you again
Stop with the pleasantries, please!

What’s your question?
You say removing of the clones has been delt with, or in the process of. How long does it take to open a file and remove them? Then take those clones offline?

Just to inform you a bit more
I dont need to be here, I want to be here
Be here for the Forum Player. Im not getting any free ride
No you don't, but you finally found a place that will uphold you over their members who says anything negative against you. So I guess you're here for 'protection', or the feeling of being wanted and needed?

Misunderstanding your meaning to 'forum Player'.. does that mean the 'online gambler', or just this forums players?


So, whats your question? or suggestion you have that would benefit the On Line Forum Player
Question is above, now a suggestion, get rid of ALL the Vitual clones, or mark them as such upon DOWNLOADING, how much technical skills does it take to place that text at downloading?

I dont know if you were calling me arrogant, I hope not, I said nothing wrong. Only that I knew what was coming next from that person and at this point Im so tired of all this Bull Shit from negative people here only because Im here. Taking advantage of the fact Im here so they can start bashing, so I took a stand.
That is what being a manger of any business requires, being mature enough to handle the negativity.

Oh yes, I was saying you are arrogant. No matter what you had anticipated from another person/player/poster, you work for a company, you hold the position of 'manager', and the way you speak to people, does not reflect that position at all!

So, whats your question or suggestion?
And keep in mind what this Thread is all about. Its about the benefit of the On Line Forum Player and NO ONE ELSE
I don't have to keep anything in mind unless I see fit to. And no, it's not about the benefits of the online player, it's still about 'benefiting' Grafix.

[Mesuzecat]

No, you are not correct. I never said Ted was involved. I said it was Virtual, but I need to change and say Grafix, of which/who owns Virtual and more businesses, numerous more.

As for moving past the hacking, no I have not, I am searching all the time and keeping files on what I find, which don't involve the online gambler, only the owner and close business partner(s) of Grafix. If I find something that concerns the online gambler, then I post it and speak of it.

I never bought the bit about a former employee of Grafix deleting Insom. Too many incidents all within a short time span points in one direction.

No one said Danny 'himself' was involved, now did they? All I know is Danny could have been a fart in the wind at that time, I had no interest in him or his site.

And no, Lanidar and I are no longer partners, just friends now. He has too much to deal with lately, so Insom is now mine again.


Well that is great news! Best of luck with your site!

[SlotChik]

This is soooooooooo getting way out of hand...

NO MORE BASHING!! PERIOD!!!!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND UNCLE AND JINNIA??

TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. NOW!

Unless you have a question about Virtual that is legit and sincere, you will not post crap to our guest...

No, I'm not DEFENDING Virtual. I'm defending our guest.....

VD, that goes for you too...no more insults or bashing.....

This is NOT tolerated in the main forum. Take it to the padded room.

[lanidar2003]

Hi Lanidar,

I try not to assume anything (makes an ass out of you and me) LOL. I understood "in the works" to mean it is something being worked on and not yet ready for publication. Does it mean something different to folks in New Jersey?

Hi Mesuzecat...
After I typed my post with the word "assume" in it, I stopped for a second and thought to myself that, that word may be the wrong word to use.
And that's because I've learned many years ago NOT to use the word "assume".

But, I went ahead and left it there because I didn't really think that some one, with maturity, would throw it back in my face and include a snide remark about New Jersey.

You and I, so far have NOT had a problem.

I think we all know what I meant....so why don't we just let it be and continue on with this thread?

[Mesuzecat]

Hi Mesuzecat...
After I typed my post with the word "assume" in it, I stopped for a second and thought to myself that, that word may be the wrong word to use.
And that's because I've learned many years ago NOT to use the word "assume".

But, I went ahead and left it there because I didn't really think that some one, with maturity, would throw it back in my face and include a snide remark about New Jersey.

You and I, so far have NOT had a problem.

I think we all know what I meant....so why don't we just let it be and continue on with this thread?


Lanidar, please............I asked if folks in New Jersey had a different understanding of the term "in the works." "The back hand of New York" was unknown to me also before someone clarified what it meant. My apology to all for going off on a tangent.

[m249a]

http://www.onlineplayersunion.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=59

Virtual Danny has a small corner of the OPU to address questions. Perhaps, if you ask a question in his area, you will get a more direct response. Timely too, since he won't have to weed thru all the other stuff.

And for the record........people in New Jersey ARE different. They drive like manaics, and they talk funny too :D Except Lanidar, he talks real funny.....like New York funny.............. :D Just ribbin ya Uncle. ;)

[lanidar2003]

This is soooooooooo getting way out of hand...

NO MORE BASHING!! PERIOD!!!!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND UNCLE AND JINNIA??

TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. NOW!

Unless you have a question about Virtual that is legit and sincere, you will not post crap to our guest...

No, I'm not DEFENDING Virtual. I'm defending our guest.....

VD, that goes for you too...no more insults or bashing.....

This is NOT tolerated in the main forum. Take it to the padded room.

Hi Slot....
What I'm attempting to do here is not bash VD.
What I am doing here is attempting to show the OPU players that Virtual and Danny and ALL their employees are liars and cheats.
They are NOT to be trusted and I advise them to place their money in just about any other casino than The Virtual Group.
Danny is just a pawn in the game that Virtual plays, and I'm sure he is getting well paid for it.
He knows what to say and he is just a PR man that was hired to help straighten out the lousy reputation that Virtual has.
Now, I have read quite a few posts by many of OPU's players.
These people are genuinely intelligent folks who know the ropes.
They see thru all the bull shit.
I's not those that I'm concerned about...it's the new comers that will fall into the Virtual trap.
Those are the ones that need be warned.

Why hide this in The Padded Room where only a select player with a password can see?
Show it to the 1,000 plus posters....let them all decide what THEY want to do.

That's what I'm doing.

[lanidar2003]

http://www.onlineplayersunion.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=59

Virtual Danny has a small corner of the OPU to address questions. Perhaps, if you ask a question in his area, you will get a more direct response. Timely too, since he won't have to weed thru all the other stuff.

And for the record........people in New Jersey ARE different. They drive like manaics, and they talk funny too :D Except Lanidar, he talks real funny.....like New York funny.............. :D Just ribbin ya Uncle. ;)

Hey...
You makin fun of da peeple form Joisey?
I've only bin here for a year.
New York is my home town.
AND we don't speek funny der eider! ;)

[lanidar2003]

Lanidar, please............I asked if folks in New Jersey had a different understanding of the term "in the works." "The back hand of New York" was unknown to me also before someone clarified what it meant. My apology to all for going off on a tangent.

Not a problem Mesuzecat... :D

Just lately i've been more defensive than usual.
I'm getting old and we old folks get a bit nuts from time to time.
ANDDDDDDD...some things don't work as well as they used to either.
That'll piss off any ole guy.
http://home.ripway.com/2004-9/177846/OLDMAN.NOHARDON.gif

[SlotChik]

No, Uncle!! You want people to see VIRTUAL for how YOU see them. This was their PAST!!! PAST~!~~ PAST!!! NOT PRESENT!!!!!!

If they werent paying players, they wouldnt be in business anymore. Obviously people are playing there without problems!!! Show me ONE post in the past 6 months that someone hasnt been paid, please....


Hi Slot....
What I'm attempting to do here is not bash VD.
What I am doing here is attempting to show the OPU players that Virtual and Danny and ALL their employees are liars and cheats.
They are NOT to be trusted and I advise them to place their money in just about any other casino than The Virtual Group.
Danny is just a pawn in the game that Virtual plays, and I'm sure he is getting well paid for it.
He knows what to say and he is just a PR man that was hired to help straighten out the lousy reputation that Virtual has.
Now, I have read quite a few posts by many of OPU's players.
These people are genuinely intelligent folks who know the ropes.
They see thru all the bull shit.
I's not those that I'm concerned about...it's the new comers that will fall into the Virtual trap.
Those are the ones that need be warned.

Why hide this in The Padded Room where only a select player with a password can see?
Show it to the 1,000 plus posters....let them all decide what THEY want to do.

That's what I'm doing.

[lanidar2003]

No, Uncle!! You want people to see VIRTUAL for how YOU see them. This was their PAST!!! PAST~!~~ PAST!!! NOT PRESENT!!!!!!

If they werent paying players, they wouldnt be in business anymore. Obviously people are playing there without problems!!! Show me ONE post in the past 6 months that someone hasnt been paid, please....

Hey Slot....
I truly like they way you use all those big RED letters.
My kinda gal. :)
It made me smile :D

I have to run out soon to take care of some personal family business.
When I get back..I will take care of your request and then I will reply to your post.

[SlotChik]

Thank you Uncle...
that'e LIPSTICK red JUST FOR YOU!!!

[lanidar2003]

Thank you Uncle...
that'e LIPSTICK red JUST FOR YOU!!!

SSSSSSSSASSY!!! :D

http://www.kwark.org/gfx/Swaczyna/Small/480/lips.red_lips.jpg.jpg

[true_bitch]

This is soooooooooo getting way out of hand...

NO MORE BASHING!! PERIOD!!!!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND UNCLE AND JINNIA??

TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. NOW!

Unless you have a question about Virtual that is legit and sincere, you will not post crap to our guest...

No, I'm not DEFENDING Virtual. I'm defending our guest.....

VD, that goes for you too...no more insults or bashing.....

This is NOT tolerated in the main forum. Take it to the padded room.
Keep defending your 'guest', and TRY to comprehend what you read! I am not, was not ,will not bash VD himself, but to speak against Grafix, you bet I WILL!!

And don't YOU ever tell me 'enough' of anything anymore .. when it's your 'guest' who is bashing and belittling everyone who says anything at all against Virtual/Grafix .. and YOU let that slide, until just now!

Did you PM him first to tell him you were going to mention him also before you posted?

[DamianDunlap]

true, Slot is a mod and your will show repect or a quick banning will take place. Feel free to talk in the padded room and dont copy are content .

Thanks

[true_bitch]

true, Slot is a mod and your will show repect or a quick banning will take place. Feel free to talk in the padded room and dont copy are content .

Thanks
Damian, you want to ban me, your forum, your choice.

I don't care if she is on staff, I see where she's only the 'marketing' person, so she has no say over me, you and m249a does ... and only here!

And for copying your content, I don't and won't. So don't insinuate that I do.

Give me the password to your padded room, I'll take it there, is that no holds barred, to anyone??

On second thought, why bother, as long as VD is out in the open saying exactly as he pleases. I'd be completely offended if I was Lanidar, locking him down and no VD.

[DamianDunlap]

We have rules here. Even i have to follow Jinnia

[SlotChik]

I am also a moderator, Jinnia..and that's what I have to do...

Hell, there were threads out there that lingered and Mark got on us for NOT moderating...

Go to the padded room to vent...We can't let this bickering continue in the open forum.

I'm not defending ANYONE, either.

If you read, you'll see that I said to VD as well...to stop the comments back and forth....

P.S.
Uncle....LOVE THOSE LIPS HONEY!!!

[true_bitch]

We have rules here. Even i have to follow Jinnia
So you have rules on treating 'staff' with respect? How about one of the two owners of this forum treating Lanidars staff (at time) at Insom with respect? Do as we say here, but we don't have to do same elsewheres?

I see how it is now, thanks for making that clear.

[DamianDunlap]

Jinnia, First let me say this
U are two faced person I every saw. You tell me you dont like sports, but on your forum you have sports book.

Landiar I never bother Uncle spot, even when track start to start stuff there.
Jinnia have you paid Landiar his money that due him?
Jinnia tell Uncle what u told me

Dont try and start mess with me and Uncle.

[SlotChik]

Jinnia, I have nothing to do with how Insom was treated...
that was then, this is now...

I don't know why you insist on making trouble for us.....

I'm shocked at some of the things you've done...
and surprised because this isn't the same person I spoke with over the phone who seemed pretty cool ~~~

[caruso]

Nice to hear from you. I know what you mean about typing for 2 hrs and being misunderstood. But I thought this was addressed. Its been done, Im finished with my recommendations and now will submit it Monday morning for approval. I said in earlier post I was doing this. Even said in an earlier post that I was done with it and ready to submit it
OK, that's a direct response but without the precise information I was hoping for, which is 1 out of 2, which is OK.

So, a web site re-design is in hand in order to take care of the clone v. separate casino issue. But they're only "recommendations", so one can assume that management can refuse them?

Danny, separate off the wretched clones and label them correctly. And don't "recommend" that it be done - DO it. THAT will settle this issue.

I'd be interested to know exactly the nature of the re-design. When will we know if your recommendations have been accepted, and if they have, when will we see the results?

[Thatchatch]

Hi everyone,

I'm glad that this thread is once again headed in the right direction, with intelligent dialog rather than turning into a witches’ bonfire, as it became at times.

Thanks for re-railing the train, Caruso, so it can move ahead once more.

Truly.

Regards,

[bartongrl1]

I just came from thevirtualcasino.com and what a difference. Everything is right there on the front page and crystal clear as to who a person can have an account with. I like that, that way no doubt as where i can sign up at. Good job.

[Thatchatch]

Hi Barton girl,

You cute wild cougar you! ;)

I can’t agree more. You’ve said it all, and I even think Caruso himself will agree! :eek:

Check out the changes at http://www.thevirtualcasino.com and tell me! :)

Please do not consider me as a shill, or promoter for Virtual in any way!

I’m only a devotee, dedicated to fairness to the online player, and always will be!

Now, for questions that you would wish for an actual casino Manager to answer for you, the OPU has Virtual Danny’s Place, a unique feature… Check out:

http://www.onlineplayersunion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7976&page=1&pp=10

Get some insight, answers, ask for feedback or give Danny some, in good taste.

Enjoy our new feature!

Regards,

[joeyl]

The errant links are cleaned up.
The terms are as clear as they can be for clones. :)
Could link up the bonus pages to the actual bonus rules more clearly.
The player problem page is still not correct.
I cannot find in the terms, the bonus rules pertaining to multiple accounts. I take that to mean there are no restrictions.

That is $150 at Virtual
$450 at Winit
$5000 at Crystal Club
$600 at Vegas Strip with a $12,500 Redeposit Bonus.
$12,250 at Spin2Win

I make that 32 k worth of bonuses allowed. Playthrough etc varies, most have 10x cashout cap.

32k Worth of bonuses allowed for about 12 k of deposits is going to attract "bonus abuser and/or users". I expect not to see problems arising on the boards in this regard.

>> I personally conclude the firm are still rogue for a few reasons and I would not promote or recommend them.

That said, the clone terms are clearer which is the root cause of most of the ill-doings of the past. A massive step forward for Virtual which may entice a few webmasters to promote Virtual.

VDAn ~ Good move, about time.

[joeyl]

1 site down, 10 to go. I trust these updates will apply to all websites?

[caruso]

Thanks for re-railing the train, Caruso, so it can move ahead once more.No problem. I was thinking the same myself - I've rarely seen such a load of off-topic pissing, bitching, clawing and back-biting since the old WOL days. Not a pretty sight. Amazing having to trawl through all that shyte to get to two or three relevant posts. 20 pages of it, Jeeeeeesus.

Danny is off the hook. :)

The format is exactly as I'd have done it. In fact, that's exactly what I suggested above - can I take some credit?? lol.

Nice job. It's actually player-friendly, which can only be a first for an RTG.

I wish other casinos would solicit and implement advice in that way.

[SlotChik]

No problem. I was thinking the same myself - I've rarely seen such a load of off-topic pissing, bitching, clawing and back-biting since the old WOL days. Not a pretty sight. Amazing having to trawl through all that shyte to get to two or three relevant posts. 20 pages of it, Jeeeeeesus.

Danny is off the hook. :)

The format is exactly as I'd have done it. In fact, that's exactly what I suggested above - can I take some credit?? lol.

Nice job. It's actually player-friendly, which can only be a first for an RTG.

I wish other casinos would solicit and implement advice in that way.
Very nice compliment Caruso. Thank you so much.

[caruso]

Small caveat: don't forget the clone sites. Clicking through from Virtual itself is fine, but clicks from elsewhere and the relationship isn't clear - U1 has a Google rank of 4, so it must have quite a few affiliates pointing at it. In the interests of completeness, all six clones should have exactly the same modification that's been done to Virtual, with the clone itself substituting Virtual and its listing removed from the six clone logos, with Virtual itself added to the list. Sounds complicated, but the application is obvious enough.

That would finish the job. Bit of a pain in the ass, but clarifying such a complex situation was never going to be a swift cut & paste.

But again, good work in breaking the back of the problem.

[Phynqster]

One thing you have to remember is that until recently the only way to "find" the clones was from the Virtual site, so it was not as if someone could stumble upon them. There were no affiliates advertising any of those sites, other than those comming direct from Virtual data base customers. It is nice that they have cleaned up the sites even further.

[joeyl]

One thing you have to remember is that until recently the only way to "find" the clones was from the Virtual site, so it was not as if someone could stumble upon them. There were no affiliates advertising any of those sites, other than those comming direct from Virtual data base customers. It is nice that they have cleaned up the sites even further.
If they were'nt marketed as seperate entities Ted, what on earth were they used for? How were they to pay their way?

No one was allowed seperate accounts either, but each could only be found via a sister if I catch you right?

[caruso]

You could manufacture a scenario in which people arrive at Virtual and simply move directly onto a clone, without opening an account at Virtual itself.

Assuming as Ted said, the issue of the clone sites is resolved. In reality, I would say it's much reduced but not removed, since to my mind the U1 Google rank suggests that affiliates are pointing at that particular clone.

Unless I'm misinterpreting the Google rank.

Let me repeat that I'm much impressed that Danny came through on this matter as he did. Hands in the air: I thought he was going to fudge it; he didn't.

Ted, you never called me in Vegas, ya' big wuss. I was looking forward to meeting you.

[joeyl]

Affs pointing at a site would not improve pagerank of the mainpage, as each aff would have their own id, therefore pointing at a seperate url.

thevirtualcasino.com/
thevirtualcasino.com/affid=12345
thevirtualcasino.com/affid=123456

It is entirely possible there are exceptions I know not of. Ways around etc.

[Thatchatch]

Hi everyone,

Please be aware that Danny works his regular 10 hours daily, and that sometimes he might have to take some work home with him as well… that makes for a busy person indeed! His own ethics do not allow him to visit us during his work periods.

He stated that his mission on this board was to listen to the online player and change things for the better – which he has done so far, and he will continue to do so. We do not doubt this for an instant. He will return on his own personal time soon enough to address all of us and our queries.

In the meantime, the ambiance has turned into a much more pleasant one - thanks everyone, and I invite any further productive contributions, be it comments, questions or suggestions.

With regards,

[ax2grind]

This is a very interesting interview. Thank you for many hours worth of quality information. I would like to know if the Virtual group has any poker rooms.

[DamianDunlap]

I ask ted about that before he left. He said they was looking into i believe.

[VirtualDanny]

Your Quote

Misunderstanding your meaning to 'forum Player'.. does that mean the 'online gambler', or just this forums players?

Question is above, now a suggestion, get rid of ALL the Vitual clones, or mark them as such upon DOWNLOADING, how much technical skills does it take to place that text at downloading?



Dannys
If I understood what your question meant

Misunderstanding your meaning to 'forum Player'.. does that mean the 'online gambler', or just this forums players?

Id have a better idea on how to answer it. But we both know you could give 2 sticks if I did or not. As far as your suggestion goes. It has already been in the works. But then again, that too you could give 2 sticks if I took



My Quote
Originally Posted by VirtualDanny
Hi jinnia

Nice to hear from you again


Your Quote in response
Stop with the pleasantries, please!


This is interesting,
In one breath Im told to be Management like, yet in another Im told to stop with the pleasantries

Interesting……


Now I say to you

Stop using this interview as an excuse to bash Virtual
YOUR time with me is now over as well

TWO Down
TWO Out

High fly to the left – caught THREE OUTS


I know longer will respond to your post as well now
I will not allow you to take up my time because you wish to spew venon
As I hear your doing a fine job spewing venon all over the internet on other forums about Virtual anyway...

Gave ya a chance for some serious dialog here
but your spots are a showing and they aren’t a changing


Now…all others please keep coming with your suggestions, comments or questions on how I can benefit the On Line Forum Player. I welcome them

[VirtualDanny]

Hi SlotChik

your quote
This is soooooooooo getting way out of hand...

NO MORE BASHING!! PERIOD!!!!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND UNCLE AND JINNIA??

TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. NOW!

Unless you have a question about Virtual that is legit and sincere, you will not post crap to our guest...

No, I'm not DEFENDING Virtual. I'm defending our guest.....

VD, that goes for you too...no more insults or bashing.....

This is NOT tolerated in the main forum. Take it to the padded room.




Danny
Once again, if I said anything wrong I apologize. I do not believe I was out of line but I assure you, you have my sincere apologies for it if you thought I was at any point. Iam an open minded individual and will look at things being told to me always.
You know why I’m here and like I said before, that’s not why I’m here. I’m not here to show my back hand of New York, I’m not here to prove I can be just as nasty as the next guy. I’m an adult, educated, fair minded individual that has always shown respect, even where it wasn’t necessary

[VirtualDanny]

Nothin wrong with New York Funny Boss LOL

[VirtualDanny]

http://www.onlineplayersunion.com/f...isplay.php?f=59

Virtual Danny has a small corner of the OPU to address questions. Perhaps, if you ask a question in his area, you will get a more direct response. Timely too, since he won't have to weed thru all the other stuff.




Once again, I cant say this enough. What you have started here at the OPU needs to be recognized and supported AND PROTECTED by all On Line Forum Owners and Operators. Your willingness to keep the channels open between Casino and Player is a wonderful step towards some real good understanding amongst all involved. Giving some wonderful benefits to the On Line Forum Player, as well as non

I salute you for making this step,
Your fellow On Line Forum Owners and Operators
should salute you for making this step
and your Advertisers should salute you for making this step

All others to go against any communication between Casino and Player needs to be revaluated and questioned as to why

Sincerely Danny

[VirtualDanny]

Your Quote
OK, that's a direct response but without the precise information I was hoping for, which is 1 out of 2, which is OK.

So, a web site re-design is in hand in order to take care of the clone v. separate casino issue. But they're only "recommendations", so one can assume that management can refuse them?

Danny, separate off the wretched clones and label them correctly. And don't "recommend" that it be done - DO it. THAT will settle this issue.

I'd be interested to know exactly the nature of the re-design. When will we know if your recommendations have been accepted, and if they have, when will we see the results?



Hi Caruso

Nice to hear from you. If I left something out in my response please tell me. I didn’t mean to.
I don’t have to tell you, you seem to be very educated to me, but, Its not my casino LOL I’m the Manager but the buck doesn’t stop with Managers, in any operation. You know this. Now if you have a good Manager, he will get to do what he wants and make things right
So far, over the years, I have been looked upon as caring for ALL players, not just high rollers, not just depositing players, but all players. I have also been looked upon, so far LOL as knowing what I’m doing, so I can only assume my recommendations will be accepted.

They are done by the way. A few days ago. Web site tells you which to have which not. From both underneath the 10 casinos and as well as in the main wording when you log onto TheVirtualCasino.com
Im still working on other things as well. Trying to do it as fast as I can. If you have any other suggestions I would love to hear them.

[VirtualDanny]

Your Quote
I just came from thevirtualcasino.com and what a difference. Everything is right there on the front page and crystal clear as to who a person can have an account with. I like that, that way no doubt as where i can sign up at. Good job.


Thank you Baby. It took me this long because I really wanted the wording to be fool proof. Joeyl was pretty strong in this and I respected that stand, so I’m trying. It is so easy for a person to misunderstand things, no matter how many hours you spend on it to word it right. So I can understand that it does need to be fool proof. There were many ways to say it, I just hope I picked the right way. If anyone disagrees please tell me how you would have said it?

Im still not done, I still see other things that could be changed, re worded or even added or taken away, to make things clearer and easier for the player. Those recommended suggestions from me will come as well

[VirtualDanny]

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Hi Barton girl,

You cute wild cougar you!

I can’t agree more. You’ve said it all, and I even think Caruso himself will agree!

Check out the changes at http://www.thevirtualcasino.com and tell me!

Please do not consider me as a shill, or promoter for Virtual in any way!

I’m only a devotee, dedicated to fairness to the online player, and always will be!






Thanks Thatchatch
Your check is in the mail LOL

[VirtualDanny]

Hi joeyl
Nice to hear from you

Your quote
The errant links are cleaned up.
The terms are as clear as they can be for clones.
Could link up the bonus pages to the actual bonus rules more clearly.
The player problem page is still not correct.
I cannot find in the terms, the bonus rules pertaining to multiple accounts. I take that to mean there are no restrictions.

That is $150 at Virtual
$450 at Winit
$5000 at Crystal Club
$600 at Vegas Strip with a $12,500 Redeposit Bonus.
$12,250 at Spin2Win

I make that 32 k worth of bonuses allowed. Playthrough etc varies, most have 10x cashout cap.

32k Worth of bonuses allowed for about 12 k of deposits is going to attract "bonus abuser and/or users". I expect not to see problems arising on the boards in this regard.

>> I personally conclude the firm are still rogue for a few reasons and I would not promote or recommend them.

That said, the clone terms are clearer which is the root cause of most of the ill-doings of the past. A massive step forward for Virtual which may entice a few webmasters to promote Virtual.

VDAn ~ Good move, about time.



Danny
What do you mean by Could link up the bonus pages to the actual bonus rules more clearly?

Your quote
The player problem page is still not correct.
I cannot find in the terms, the bonus rules pertaining to multiple accounts. I take that to mean there are no restrictions.

Yes, I agree. This is the other thing Im working on as well
But you lost me when you starting saying about
That is $150 at Virtual
$450 at Winit
$5000 at Crystal Club
$600 at Vegas Strip with a $12,500 Redeposit Bonus.
$12,250 at Spin2Win

What do you mean?

Thank you for noticing such a small step. I really do want to continue Joeyl

[VirtualDanny]

At this point I do wish to apologize for time spent on other subjects in this thread and anything said that offended certain people here. Either said by me or anyone else.

I tried to keep civil and tried to understand others had ill feelings, and by rights, wanted to express them. But, I could not at times hold my tongue. If my standing up, and words used as I was standing, offended certain people, just know I tried to keep my composure and respect. I so look forward in this dialog I see opening up between us

[VirtualDanny]

Hi joeyl

Yes, I will connect all. Of course, or else it would make no sense. All must be understood somehow

[VirtualDanny]

Hi caruso

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Danny is off the hook.
The format is exactly as I'd have done it. In fact, that's exactly what I suggested above - can I take some credit?? lol.
Nice job. It's actually player-friendly, which can only be a first for an RTG.
I wish other casinos would solicit and implement advice in that way.


Well. I know about you strong silent types that walk lightly so Im just about gonna do what YOU want LOL
Truth is I have been working on this wording for over 2 weeks. I know I know, two weeks? It took two weeks to write that? LOL
Thing is I really wanted it to be clear, and reading what Joeyl said, that it needs to be fool proof, I then decided it HAD to be clear. I understood where he was coming from

This is what I want to hear, for others to say its player friendly. This is what we are trying to achieve at The Virtual, this is what Im trying to achieve.

And as far as other casinos soliciting and implementing advice in this way???
We only have Mark Thatch DD and the others to thank at the OPU
They are the ones that started this idea and have pushed forward, even when fellow Forum Operators were against it for their own personal reasons

I applaud the OPU and so should their fellow Forum Owners and Operators, and so should the OPU advertisers
Hell, any advertiser should be wanting to break down their door to get in here seeing how OPU is willing to overlook certain obstacles for the benefit of their members.

I will continue to take your comments, suggestions and questions

[VirtualDanny]

Hi caruso
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Small caveat: don't forget the clone sites. Clicking through from Virtual itself is fine, but clicks from elsewhere and the relationship isn't clear - U1 has a Google rank of 4, so it must have quite a few affiliates pointing at it. In the interests of completeness, all six clones should have exactly the same modification that's been done to Virtual, with the clone itself substituting Virtual and its listing removed from the six clone logos, with Virtual itself added to the list. Sounds complicated, but the application is obvious enough.

That would finish the job. Bit of a pain in the ass, but clarifying such a complex situation was never going to be a swift cut & paste.

But again, good work in breaking the back of the problem.


I totally agree, just like what Joeyl was saying. This needs to be done as well. I agree. It wont take long at all. I will be posting up the same message for all the casinos. It will read all the same. So, all it will take is the time to figure out, where is the best place to put the info so as players will see it first. I think have the perfect idea though.

The main thing in the moment had to be Virtual. Form there we have mostly always advertised the other casinos. So, I thought there should have been the start

[VirtualDanny]

Hi Phynqster

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One thing you have to remember is that until recently the only way to "find" the clones was from the Virtual site, so it was not as if someone could stumble upon them. There were no affiliates advertising any of those sites, other than those comming direct from Virtual data base customers. It is nice that they have cleaned up the sites even further


Thats true, I was just saying that LOL
Thats true, but..............Times are a changin

and The best is yet to come from The Virtual Casino Group